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Offline mattamd_xp

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Re: 99 TJ one ton stretch/coilovers/doubler etc...
« Reply #45 on: September 04, 2011, 08:54:34 PM »
Got some work done on it yesterday:
Front approach angle with 35's -not bad for keeping the steering box and still having 4" of uptravel from ride height  8-)


Also got my 14 bolt positioned in the back with the stock tank notched for clearance. I may switch to a custom tank or cell, but not in the budget for now, so I made do with what I have. About 3" stretch I believe (still looking for measurements) With the front stretch I am around 100" wheelbase so that is enough for now anyway.


Got my steering arm and cap in and had a slight problem with them. Sent a message to the guy and he's making a replacement arm and getting it sent out asap, so I should be able to mock up the front steering shortly. (the arm had the wrong thread on the drag like hole, and the holes where reversed front to rear from the 5th hole. Running stock knuckles now, but don't want to have to repurchase arms if I upgrade down the road...) Great customer service response though so I'm looking forward to getting those put on and moving on to the rear
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Re: 99 TJ one ton stretch/coilovers/doubler etc...
« Reply #46 on: September 08, 2011, 08:44:03 PM »
Was kinda casually watching ebay for the RCI 2162 (basically 2161 on its side -should be able to get the stretch I am looking for and keep everything under the tub with a gain of ground clearance over the stock tank...) for the last week or so and happened to find this one:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/290605805902?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fmotors.shop.ebay.com%3A80%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dp4712.m570.l1313%26_nkw%3D290605805902%26_sacat%3D%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1#ht_573wt_1165

Yes I did win it... Now to figure out how to make it work for what I want  :hammer: More things to do before I get this thing on the road  :bwall:
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Re: 99 TJ one ton stretch/coilovers/doubler etc...
« Reply #47 on: September 13, 2011, 09:22:48 PM »
Should be able to get some time in the garage tomorrow before work. I'm working on the rear crossmember for the lower link mounts and I'm using 1 3/4" DOM that I drilled holes through the frame for so it goes completely across and will be welded inside and outside of the frame. I've got a ballistic mount to go on that and it lines up so that my t-case bushing mount that I made (like the TMR customs one) lines up on it too. I've got .120 wall tubing for it now, with plans on a sleeve going in it before I button it up. Would a .120 sleeve be enough for all that or should I got with .250 sleeve for a total of .370? I'm also debating not using a tranny mount and just using the t-case mount that is on the D300 behind the doubler. Any thoughts/recommendations? I have a crossmember to go under the tranny with a mount made out of the same material as my t-case mount so it shouldn't cause any binding, overkill or should I do it while I'm at it???

I've also got to make new motor mounts because I decided to redo my front links for more stretch/better steering clearance to the links, and the upper is now going to be mounted on top of the frame near the firewall on the passenger side, so I cut all the frame brackets off and am going to make new ones   ::)

1 step forward 2 steps backward. Not going to make it for this wheeling season, so I might as well try and miss next years too right?  ;D Just want this thing done right so I won't be messing with the big stuff once I've got it off jackstands
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Re: 99 TJ one ton stretch/coilovers/doubler etc...
« Reply #48 on: September 14, 2011, 08:54:52 AM »
i bent the .250 crossmember my lower links are on.  i used angle to prevent it from happening again.
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Re: 99 TJ one ton stretch/coilovers/doubler etc...
« Reply #49 on: September 14, 2011, 09:10:58 AM »
Not going to make it for this wheeling season, so I might as well try and miss next years too right? 

You and Jason are on the same build schedule.........the eternal one  ;D

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Re: 99 TJ one ton stretch/coilovers/doubler etc...
« Reply #50 on: September 14, 2011, 10:26:15 AM »
use every mount you can, and then grab a few other places to mount that doubler and trans! i have seen so many trans and t-case break with doublers (the housings) i have 4 mounts on my doubler (203 / 205) and i use the stock trans mount plus 2 other places on trans (each side of trans)  there is alot of weight (yes even on a 231/300) and it will increase the torque tremendously on the stock mounts. i am a firm believer in building it stron ghe first time and never having to worry about it again. like i said i have personnally seen atleast 4 doubler setups break off the trans while 4 wheeling (all of them were 231/300, thus why i am not a fan) 

as far as your cross memeber goes make it BEEFY!!!  do whatever you can to re-enforce the cross memeber, i used a 2 1/2" x 2 1/2"- 1/4" wall box and have gussets going forward and back that extend to the mount (batwing) in the center. it has not bent yet. i built it that way cause i have seen alot fo x-memebers bend and fail.




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Re: 99 TJ one ton stretch/coilovers/doubler etc...
« Reply #51 on: September 14, 2011, 10:52:24 AM »
Thanks for the input. I may just go for 3/8" wall solid for the crossmember, and I will definitely go with a mount for both the tranny and one for the doubler. I'm not using any stock mounts on my drivetrain, so I should be good there. I plan on tying the front of the crossmember to the frame with diagonal braces to counter the pulling force of the lowers.
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Re: 99 TJ one ton stretch/coilovers/doubler etc...
« Reply #52 on: September 14, 2011, 03:19:27 PM »
Not going to make it for this wheeling season, so I might as well try and miss next years too right?  

You and Jason are on the same build schedule.........the eternal one  ;D


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Re: 99 TJ one ton stretch/coilovers/doubler etc...
« Reply #53 on: September 14, 2011, 03:29:55 PM »
Some of us just have busy lives outside of getting projects done  ;) -at least I know I'm not putting miles on my Jeep/breaking anything  ;D

On another note -the rear coilover brackets I got won't work because they didn't build them to accept coilovers  ::)
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Re: 99 TJ one ton stretch/coilovers/doubler etc...
« Reply #54 on: September 14, 2011, 05:54:11 PM »
Just got off the phone with DIYbeadlocks -what a hassle. The brackets they make that are like the poly performance rear coilover brackets they don't design to use coilovers. The mounting width is 2" and the body of the coilover won't fit into the mounting portion of the tower... They are made for regular shocks only  >:( Instead of dealing with modifying them, I'm sending them back and going a different route in the rear  ::)
I may decide to backhalf it now that I've got a fuel cell waiting to go in... Any input on doing a back half on a street driven vehicle? Still not sure I want to do it, but cost wise it's only a bit more and would let me run the Jeep a little lower  ???
I'll try and post some pictures I took earlier of the bracket. I also got a picture of how I setup my lower link/doubler crossmember (can't post pics from work)

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Re: 99 TJ one ton stretch/coilovers/doubler etc...
« Reply #55 on: September 15, 2011, 11:56:45 AM »
Gonna keep the frame as is. It's just way to clean to cut it off and I really don't want to add all that work to the project. I've got to pick up a sheet of 1/4" anyway, so I'll just make my own brackets. Cheaper, but more time consuming... maybe I'll have this done by the time I retire

Fuel cell came in today right before I left for work, so hopefully I can do some test fitting tomorrow to check clearances
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Re: 99 TJ one ton stretch/coilovers/doubler etc...
« Reply #56 on: September 20, 2011, 12:34:10 PM »
Got some time to work on it today for a couple of hours. Stuck the tank under the tub where it will fit very nicely! Rre-positioned the 14b for more stretch with the fuel cell vs the dimpled stock tank. Ended up with around 101-102 wheelbase. Pictures show just about ride height. 72" to the top of the windshield frame with 35's. Temporarily stuck the hubs/tires on the rear to check clearances for coilover brackets and shouldn't have a problem clearing everything nicely! Had to cut away some of the body just to get the tires to clear at ~ride height. Need to go buy a new angle finder (ran over my old one  ::) )and start tacking brackets on! May have to change the front mount of the lower arms so that I can fit it around the t-case output without having it hang down so much below the frame, but may just stick with it as is.
Tank to 14b clearance

rear tire location

you can see the b-fab center bracket hanging down under the frame here, not sure if it would be a big enough problem to make a whole new bracket that tucks up more


front pass side -need to make new frame mounts/shorten my upper link

rear pass side -unfortunately I don't have enough room to take a full side shot in my garage

rear shot with the tank at about the height it will be fully mounted at. Plan on using 1/4" to make a skid that will completely enclose it and running an external pump to really be able to tuck it close to the tub. Width wise I can completely cover the tires with removable 7" flares for road use
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Re: 99 TJ one ton stretch/coilovers/doubler etc...
« Reply #57 on: September 21, 2011, 02:14:21 PM »
Had a little time in the garage this morning and got the rear lower link mounts tacked in place. Looks like the rear is a mid-arm setup with ~28" lowers the way it is setup now. I like the clearances that I have with the arms that length and it seems to work, so I'll be around 32-33" front lowers and the 28" rear lowers. Should be close enough that flex will be pretty even between the two. Probably won't be able to work on it again until next week sometime  :'(
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Re: 99 TJ one ton stretch/coilovers/doubler etc...
« Reply #58 on: September 25, 2011, 05:51:36 PM »
Why does the Ballistic batwing bracket hang down so much in the back?  Ian and I have the same one, and they don't hang down at all....just angle it up more.
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Re: 99 TJ one ton stretch/coilovers/doubler etc...
« Reply #59 on: September 25, 2011, 10:00:54 PM »
Why does the Ballistic batwing bracket hang down so much in the back?  Ian and I have the same one, and they don't hang down at all....just angle it up more.

It is almost touching the rear output of the d300 at full droop as it is (<1/8" clearance) the doubler is keeping me from really stuffing it up even with cutting some of the floor. The front output is just about touching the floor under the driver side now, and I'm not sure I want to cut a huge hole in the floor to gain an inch of clearance just where the bracket is. I'll try and get a picture of the limited space I have under there for everything. The D300 is above the framerails, but the lowest part on my AX15 hangs down a bit too. I'm thinking of running a skid that is lower just through the middle to minimize the loss of ground clearance. I still have to redo my moto mounts, so I may tuck it a bit higher to suck everything up a bit more while I'm at it. It's all still flexible (except the crossmember location which is directly under the rear output of the D300) I may have a picture of it in my photobucket album, I'll have to check, if not I should be able to get one tomorrow

Edit: found the pictures

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