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Title: garage move
Post by: HEYzipupyourfly on March 04, 2014, 01:02:32 AM
So i recently started moving my workspace from my old shop to my house.Figured I would share my work. My garage is an attached 2 bay, 20'x24'.  Not exactly the best size workspace for my needs, but at the moment its going to have to work. It is attatched but the entrance is not directly into house so i don't have to worry about dust and smell.
The majority of the work i'll be doing will just be metal work, I don't plan to pull a vehicle in or expect to even be able to. heck if i could even get my truck into the garage to change oil i wouldn't be able to open the hood anyways. the ceilings are 8'. Walls are lath and plaster/browncoat.
Goals-
-start with mud and paint. Going to use an oil based exterior high gloss paint so if i happen to lean on it with a greasy hand i can easily wipe it off. It will also help with lighting. Pure white for the upper portion of the walls and a Hugger Orange for the bottom part. then paint the foundation black. all high gloss.

- Electrical, needed a subpanel in garage so had to upgrade the house first. had a 200Amp service done and a 100Amp panel installed in the garage.
I will also be putting 3Phase in the garage for some of my machinery. as well as a 75' extension cord in case i want to take my MIG into the backyard or even roll the TIG out into the driveway if i need to. Installing 4, 8 foot t-8 fixtures and 6, 4 footers. Thats 28 bulbs. I think its going to be enough. I want 0 blind spots and no shadowing. I'm sick of working in the dark.

I'm getting rid of as much open storage as possible, i hate how cluttered it looks.. so i'm not hanging a bunch of shelving on the walls, everything that can will be going into a cabinet. or under my workbenches.

-Plenty of wall plugs, dedicated workstation plugs, air, and lighting.

-HEAT, i'm still deciding between a forced hot water system or a ductless split. I may wait till the summer and just do it at my leisure, since the winter is almost over.
Hot water would require another circ pump and zone installed on the boiler, and proper plumbing installed.would have to leave it on so pipes dont freeze in winter.
ductless split would require a small hole in side of garage with a small condenser mounted outside. It would provide adequate heat and even AC in the summer but starts losing efficiency below 10* or so. can shut it off if not using it. no pipes to freeze.
still in the air on that.

-Floor treatment?

A few pictures.
This is the before. you can see the wall storage and how cluttered it is, that is all going.
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moved everything to the center and got the walls prepped for paint.
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Paint begins, white goes on first.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7398/12921160334_b4156d770c_z.jpg)
then orange primer
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and orange.
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and black
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3773/12921177224_5852620fd8_z.jpg)
a picture of it during the daytime. The lines might look broken but i think its the way i took the picture.
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3744/12920764075_206036bf8f_c.jpg)
and at night
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I HATE PAINTING, i'm glad that part of the garage is finished.
after that was all set i made a trip to the old garage and brought some of the cabinets and tool boxes over.
had a little help from Will, he's been a lot of help during the project. unfortunately cannot trust him with a paintbrush haha.
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Someday when i feel i need to i may paint the cabinets to match.
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I built 4x4 frames to put under all the cabinets that way i could rest them up on top of the edge of the foundation and as close to the walls as possible. I also painted those. it raised them off the floor a bit and helps when sweeping around them.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7377/12920770245_91c414d631_z.jpg)
After a majority of the large items are moved in(not yet organized) the place looks like this.
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Hardly workable yet. Still need to move the flat chassis table and the bridgeport over. and have to do some work to get the benches to fit where i want them.
I moved my little lathe and it fits perfectly atop my old craftsman toolbox, so i decided to keep that instead of sell it.
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2838/12921185974_583f888af1_z.jpg)

At this point i opted against any type of floor treatment for a few reasons.

I'm not finished yet, I will take some more pictures. since this last posted photo was taken i have done quite a bit. The lights are all done and they are perfect. The phase converter is all mounted but not wired yet, and the bench has been moved to its new home. still waiting for a nice day to move the bridgeport.
Title: Re: garage move
Post by: jps4jeep on March 04, 2014, 07:52:44 AM
So 20 years till you get a wheelable rig?

Tell William I said Hi!
Title: Re: garage move
Post by: Axle on March 04, 2014, 08:21:53 AM
very nice Tony!
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Post by: Twisty on March 04, 2014, 10:47:45 AM
I think you need more too boxes.   ;D
Title: Re: garage move
Post by: HEYzipupyourfly on March 05, 2014, 06:20:09 AM
Yes john you are correct.
Title: Re: garage move
Post by: ayoung on June 24, 2014, 12:34:52 PM
Looks great.  I am moving next week and will be losing my beloved 1800 sqft mantown basement/workshop.  Getting a 2 car garage that I will have to get creative with.  Everyone has probably seen this before, but if not, it is my inspiration for making use of the space you have.  If you haven't been on this guy's website before, it is definitely worth poking around.

http://12-gaugegarage.com/index.html

Fast forward video to 6:09 to see garage (although Jack Olsen's view during the first 6 minutes on one car doing it all is very transferable to the way many members view their Jeep DD/trail rig)
https://www.youtube.com/v/gC5-MoDUuRg

Title: Re: garage move
Post by: Ian on June 25, 2014, 08:45:49 AM
adam that is fantastic, thanks for sharing. 
Title: Re: garage move
Post by: HEYzipupyourfly on June 25, 2014, 05:59:21 PM
yes i've seen that on garage journal. its not bad at all. good use of space. cost a lot of money to outfit a shop like that. cabinets are not cheap. Ive spent a couple grand myself just on what I have for cabinets, and most have been used or bought at discount because they were damaged, and you can never have enough storage.
Title: Re: garage move
Post by: HEYzipupyourfly on June 25, 2014, 06:03:02 PM
yes i've seen that on garage journal. its not bad at all. good use of space. cost a lot of money to outfit a shop like that. cabinets are not cheap. Ive spent a couple grand myself just on what I have for cabinets, and most have been used or bought at discount because they were damaged, and you can never have enough storage.

Also, an update, since i havent in a while, The bridgeport is in place. got a few projects going right now but its close to 100% i would say about 85% now.i'll get pictures soon
Title: Re: garage move
Post by: ayoung on July 03, 2014, 07:27:15 PM
yes i've seen that on garage journal. its not bad at all. good use of space. cost a lot of money to outfit a shop like that. cabinets are not cheap. Ive spent a couple grand myself just on what I have for cabinets, and most have been used or bought at discount because they were damaged, and you can never have enough storage.


Yep, that is where I saw it first.  If I remember correctly, he didn't spend too too much money on everything.  I believe he got it all second hand and did a lot of cutting and welding to get all the cabinets the way he wanted.  Definitely post pictures when you get the chance.
Title: Re: garage move
Post by: HEYzipupyourfly on November 13, 2014, 12:19:58 AM
figured its time for an update and wanted to get some input on my HEATING options.

lighting- the garage is fully wired now, and FULLY lit. with 4 8' T8 flourecent fixtures and 6-4' T8 fixtures. my goal was no shadows when i work. and with a total of 28 T8 bulbs in play I accomplished that goal without a hitch. 4 of the 4' fixtures are wall mounted above the garage doors and the rest are spaced on the ceiling. I love the lighting.

electrical- 3Phase generator is wired to the bridgeport, the lathe has its own breaker, got a 75' 220 50amp extension cord so i can drag the welder or plasma outside when needed. plenty of outlets everywhere.

AIR- 3/4" copper piped along ceiling to two air hose reels with oilers and water separators. I mounted the larger hose reel near the door so i can drag it out into the yard. and the other mounted under the workbench.
compressor is temporary mounted inside but haven plans to build a shed for it outside.

HEAT-
here are my options as of now.

quick and easy route.
Window mounted pellet stove. Its my cheapest option, quickest install time, and least amount of labor to install. but its about the crudest of my options since woodstove is out of the question for space reasons. factor in lugging and buying pellets. probably the most offensive option too because i'll have to stare at the unit hanging out of the window.

next route would be a mitsubishi split. mount a condenser box outside behind the garage, wall mount heater unit which would provide heat and AC. its my most expensive option up front at around $2000 for the unit with my own install. and would up my electric bill a bit. Peabody is about the cheapest electric costs in the state too. in some cases cheaper than heating with gas. so i'm leaning tis way.

Modine water heater unit.
Less offensive to install because i don't have to look at a condenser outside. cheaper than the mitsu split, but most labor intensive for me considering i need to install a new zone on my boiler, would have to completely drain my heating system to do so. and would need to run glycol in the system or leave it on to keep from freezing out there. also would go through more oil during the winter. currently i last the winter on one fillup.
Price wise about half of the mitsu split.

Im not sure the route i'm going to go yet for heat, i am going to try and have something before Jan though.
What do you guys think about those options?





Title: Re: garage move
Post by: jps4jeep on November 13, 2014, 08:00:34 AM
Also consider a pellet stove would also take up floor space which can be at a premium in a 2 car garage.  Why not just get a propane speed heater?  Do you have gas service to the house, a small ceiling mounted heater would not occupy floor space. 

The mitsubishi split units are great we puttwo in at my parents house (ac only.) Sanyo also makes a similar unit that is very reasonably priced. the condensor is a hair larger but just as efficient I am just not sure if they have a unit that is both heat and AC.

Outside of charging the line set, stupid simple install.
Title: Re: garage move
Post by: HEYzipupyourfly on November 13, 2014, 08:49:53 AM
the pellet stove actually mounts in the window so it wouldnt take up floor space. but at this time the split is looking like my best option but just hard to drop the $$ for heat for a garage.
Title: Re: garage move
Post by: jps4jeep on November 13, 2014, 09:37:42 AM
Oh ok, when you typed window, for some reason I was thinking exausting through the window with a metal flange.  How well insulated in your garage?
Title: Re: garage move
Post by: HEYzipupyourfly on November 13, 2014, 09:53:44 AM
right now. nothing in the ceiling, minimum in the walls. only thing i have going for me is the ceilings are 8'
Title: Re: garage move
Post by: jps4jeep on November 13, 2014, 10:35:49 AM
Before you consider heating, I would recommend properly insulating.  We did the whole blown in cellulose when we first bought our house and it made a crap ton of a difference regarding cold weather and heat retention.  Probably would be the best solution with out tearing the walls out.  Also if you have the state perform an energy audit, they will give you deep discounts on equipment and services.
Ted (you know Ted) just had it done, the savings over the general contracting quotes was over 60% as the state subsidied the cost. 

Also consider geothermal and solar heating.  Both cost more, but the state has been offering massive incentives plus long term savings might make it more cost efficient.  I just am not sure how long long term is.
Title: Re: garage move
Post by: HEYzipupyourfly on November 17, 2014, 09:43:54 AM
i tried to get an audit done last year because what you said is exactly what everyone says and all the mass save commercials. But they wouldn't come out and do it for some reason. i cannot remember why now but i remember it being stupid.

i plan to eventually insulate and such but i don't see it happening before i get some sort of heat in there this year. i know its counter intuitive to do so but its a time issue with me. i need to keep working in the garage, not ON it in order to pay for this stuff.

another option i didn't mention is for one of those portable electric space heaters just to keep me going right now and it can be used in the future elsewhere.

i've had three people come and quote me for having a hot water modine hot dawg unit put in, two of them quoted me to install a gas fired modine rather than the water one after telling them and going over with them exactly what i wanted done. They even measured for pex, then quoted me for metalbestos chimney. And the other guy i told him i was all set when he couldn't tell the difference between the copper and steel pipes that are in my current system. claimed if they had solder joints on them they couldn't be steel. so they had to be copper. Had no clue what he was looking at. So i gave up at that point. seems plumbing licenses are given away as easy as EBT these days.
Title: Re: garage move
Post by: jps4jeep on November 17, 2014, 02:54:47 PM
Last option would be to wear a coat and gloves and stop being a Puss... Just sayin'  ;D






Text me if you need a plumber and or plumbing supplies. I have a contact in your area.   ;)
Title: Re: garage move
Post by: HEYzipupyourfly on March 20, 2015, 05:29:58 PM
wanted to post some updated pictures now that i'm all finished up. only thing left to do is heat but thats going to hold of till funds are there, till then i bought a $100 5600Watt electric heater that takes the edge off. its not cheap to run but worth it for the amount of time im out there.
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8709/16875900105_88e1020cee_c.jpg)
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all copper piping for the air. mounted overhead.
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hose reel under the bench and mounted on a swivel mount on the wall.
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regulators and oilers built inline, I keep the oiler for the big hose reel empty in case i want to use it to spray paint.
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8643/16688899078_dfa67ae6ce_c.jpg)
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And heres where all the power is managed, 3 phase generator mounted up high behind the garage door track to run the bridgeport.
100Amp 20 circuit panel. Also have a 50Amp 75' 220V extension cord so i can drag the MIG out in the yard if needed.
Compressor is wired to a 15A 220 plug for now because it will eventually live outside in its own little home, nice and quiet like. most of the power was run in surface mounted conduit.
I'm available for hire. :saw:
-Tony
Title: Re: garage move
Post by: Ian on March 20, 2015, 05:55:54 PM
Looks fantastic!
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Post by: Posimoto on March 21, 2015, 07:22:41 AM
Excellent!
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Post by: Axle on March 21, 2015, 09:10:11 AM
very very nice!
Title: Re: garage move
Post by: HEYzipupyourfly on March 26, 2015, 01:35:56 AM
A little action in the shop today.
Cut a new number plate for my house.
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/84661798@N03/16307260234/
Title: Re: garage move
Post by: jps4jeep on March 26, 2015, 06:31:48 AM
You finially got the tourchmate up and running.
Title: Re: garage move
Post by: HEYzipupyourfly on March 26, 2015, 07:57:11 AM
yes, the garage project was priority, fired off the plasma a couple weeks ago then had a few hardware issues i've been dealing with, put a new hard drive in the driver laptop and shes back up and running yesterday. 
Title: Re: garage move
Post by: jps4jeep on March 26, 2015, 08:34:26 AM
I'll have to come get my hat and have you nest the new front bumper for my pickup ;-)
Title: Re: garage move
Post by: HEYzipupyourfly on March 26, 2015, 09:15:08 AM
what hat do you speak of? and what do you mean nest?
Title: Re: garage move
Post by: jps4jeep on March 26, 2015, 09:19:26 AM
my cabela's hat and nest the pieces to be cut.
Title: Re: garage move
Post by: HEYzipupyourfly on March 27, 2015, 12:11:12 AM
your hat must be down in the Bilge somewhere. I have to clean that place up a bit, get all the winter stuff put away. if i find it i will throw it aside.
John if your bringing me a file to write code to make sure its in .DXF, and my computer cannot read your 8" floppy disc anymore. only the newer 3 1/2" floppys will work.
Title: Re: garage move
Post by: Axle on March 27, 2015, 08:15:18 AM
8" floppy, hehe
Title: Re: garage move
Post by: jps4jeep on March 27, 2015, 09:34:41 AM
is .DFX a type of cardboard... cause I have cardboard templets.



I know what you mean, let me see what I can do.
Title: Re: garage move
Post by: HEYzipupyourfly on March 27, 2015, 09:56:22 AM
what Cad software are you using? autocad bpbcad or solidworks will make a dxf i would still have to doctor it up because they will typically recognize shapes different than mine.