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[jon]

Ban in the eyes of most people means you can't own it.  Since there is no "ban" there is no "pre-ban"

You can legally own a 4th gen Glock.  If you find a dealer willing to sell you one it is 100% legal for you to buy it.  The dealer may get fined or in some other minor trouble but there is no law against having it.

I know at least 3 or 4 guys who have new model glocks.  I could go buy one right now if I wanted to.
 

[mika401]

When we were at 4 Seasons the guy selling us the piece came out with us and told us exactly the same thing.  I guess it depends how comfortable you are dealing with a 'dealer' that is knowingly importing a gun which is on one of the banned lists.  Yes I could have chosen that route but did not feel 100% comfortable with the idea.  Is it a 100% legal practice?  I guess it depends who you ask doesn't it.

[jason m]

When we were at 4 Seasons the guy selling us the piece came out with us and told us exactly the same thing.  I guess it depends how comfortable you are dealing with a 'dealer' that is knowingly importing a gun which is on one of the banned lists.  Yes I could have chosen that route but did not feel 100% comfortable with the idea.  Is it a 100% legal practice?  I guess it depends who you ask doesn't it.

I looked into it and ask that dealer that the guy referd us to, he said he would do it, but I still feel its not worth the chance to have a 4th Gen gun only to have it taken away if some LEO feels it was brought in improperly.

Not worth it for me,

Jason.

[jon]

Its not very hard

THEY ARE NOT BANNED. They are not on a banned list.  There is no banned list.  They get brought into the state all the time, by dealers.  If you haven't noticed a good percentage of the local police forces carry glocks, You think the departments buy old used ones?  The same cops buy them for personal use all the time (many then have a nice side business turning around and selling them (3/yr) at a nice profit.  the only actual list out there is the "approved weapons roster" Note that glocks are approved.
http://www.mass.gov/Eeops/docs/chsb/firearms/approved_firearms_roster_06-2011.pdf

Even that list only regulates what a dealer can sell, not what you can bring into the state, buy, transfer via private party.

A cop taking your gun because he suspects that you did not break a law buying is illegal search and seizure. As for legality.  Even the anti gun Attorney general has confirmed the legality of it.   If you are afraid to buy it that fine, but don't go spreading misinformation.  Laws are confusing enough in this state without people making new laws up.  It is 100% goddamn legal for you to buy guns not on the list, just because some guy who talked to some guy who heard about another guy who read the laws said something doesn't make it true.

[jason m]

It was not a ramdam guy telling me this info, its the NRA instructor at GOAL who was saying what I'm saying. I really dont give two craps about what others say about it, I care what he says, not only is he an instructor but he's a dealer to.

He had told me its a "gray" area and thats what I will keep saying, Jon you belive what you want and I understand your point about Cops using them and still able to buy new, there LEO's all they need is a letter from there department to be able to buy a new one ( CMR 940 16.00 et seq) and yes they even carry pre-ban high Cap mags. they have the one's issued that say for LE/Gov right on the mag http://www.google.com/imgres?q=Glock+Mags+restricted&um=1&hl=en&sa=X&nfpr=1&tbm=isch&tbnid=-kPKrL5o9U96yM:&imgrefurl=http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php%3Fshowtopic%3D73993&docid=nlzWFdb8RD3biM&itg=1&w=480&h=447&ei=Xap7TqeZM-qrsQKc0aHaAw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=691&vpy=130&dur=187&hovh=217&hovw=233&tx=119&ty=93&page=1&tbnh=124&tbnw=134&start=0&ndsp=12&ved=1t:429,r:4,s:0&biw=1112&bih=464.

Me I have a couple of Glocks, I'm very happy with them even for a used gun. Hers what posted on NES wed site and at Four Seasons web page http://www.gssfonline.com/hot_topics/massachusetts_commsales.pdf

Ive seen that post you posted and it contradicts whats in that link. So thats why I will keep saying its a "gray" area. What Four seasion says about them ( about half way down ) http://www.fsguns.com/glocks.html

Jason .

[jon]

I know Carl at Four Seasons and I know GOAL well.  (thats where my info came from.)  But Just because someone is a NRA instructor or dealer knows what they are talking about.  The stuff I have heard come out of both of those places baffles me. 

Of course they carry hi-caps.  However the only mags that say LEO/GOV only are from 94-04. All new hi-caps say nothing (except maybe a date stamp)

The stuff you posted agrees with me:

In a separate letter and in a Boston Globe article, the Massachusetts Attorney General's office is "encouraging" and "urging" customers who bought these Glocks to return them.

Only pre-10/21/98 models are legal to sell MA. (FOR DEALERS - Jon)

Commercial sales of brand new post 10/21/98 Glocks have ceased.

If you left us a deposit on one please stop by the shop for a full refund.

 We will keep you posted on any new developments.
 

You think if they were illegal to buy and have the AG wouldn't be out screwing people left and right?
Commercial Sales have ceased.

What I posted did not contradict what was in that link.

There is the LAW which says Glocks are legal for dealers to sell (what I posted).  Then the AG has a seperate regulation governing what gun shops can sell in the eyes of "consumer protection"  This is not a law, its a regulation. Neither applies to consumers only to dealers.

This is why when Bass Pro opened and sold a whole bunch of springfield XDs, glocks, and other banned guns, all they (Bass Pro and the state) could do is ask that people return them.  Considering all sales in Mass are logged in a computer database. I think they could have gone out, found, and forced people to give them up if they had any legal standing.