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Small diesels making a U.S. comeback
« on: March 04, 2014, 08:28:19 AM »
Interesting..

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2014/02/toyota-tundra-getting-cummins-diesel.html

The Tundra will utilize a 5.0-liter turbo-diesel V8 from Cummins to power its next-generation Tundra, which is likely to make its debut in 2016 according to Wardís Auto. Itís unclear how or whether the engines will differ in specifications, but the Nissan unit is expected to make over 300 hp and 500 lb-ft of torque.

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Re: Small diesels making a U.S. comeback
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2014, 08:46:07 AM »
Ford is bringing one to the f150 as well with around the same spec, and dodge has one shipping in the 1500 today.   They all had to follow suit.    I'm hopeful in my next truck to be in a half ton diesel. 
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« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2014, 09:33:16 AM »
I didn't realize the Dodge was already for sale.
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Re: Small diesels making a U.S. comeback
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2014, 10:46:23 AM »
Just in time for diesel prices to start going up again.   :woot:
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Re: Small diesels making a U.S. comeback
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2014, 12:26:59 PM »
I didn't realize the Dodge was already for sale.

they are late release 14's....supposedly my dealer has already sold 2 1500 diesels....we haven't gotten one in yet thought.  and the price tag on them is in the 50's.....little too expensive for my blood but definitely a cool idea.  ill let everyone know how the dodge one is once we get them actually on the lot
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Re: Small diesels making a U.S. comeback
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2014, 07:22:46 PM »
I have no interest in buying a diesel. I always wanted one and a couple guys I know have dropped some serious cash on there rigs. too expensive to buy, maintain, put fuel in. if I was towing long distances that would be a different story

there is no comparison a diesel tows way better than a gasser

and did you ever notice that people say that the diesel is a $3000 to $4000 dollar option if you think about it a f250 with a 5.4l gas engine is somewhere around $30,000 lets say the diesel is $34,000 how much is a brand new ford 5.4l engine? $2000 ?
that turns the $4000  option into a $6000 option.  my prices may be off but you get what im saying
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Re: Small diesels making a U.S. comeback
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2014, 08:43:59 PM »
I don't save money with a diesel, but the smile when I push the peddle on the right is worth it :)
I do like the way they drive on cars as well, Much more "mature". 
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Re: Small diesels making a U.S. comeback
« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2014, 02:03:20 AM »
I have no interest in buying a diesel. I always wanted one and a couple guys I know have dropped some serious cash on there rigs. too expensive to buy, maintain, put fuel in. if I was towing long distances that would be a different story
As much as i dont like getting into the old over discussed diesel vs gasser ford vs dodge vs chevy debate i disagree with this statement. But not in an argumentative way, everyone has had different experiences, but based on mine this is not the case. 

 First off. They are in no way any more expensive to maintain than a gas truck. If anything mine has been cheaper than my gas truck was. An oil change costs me about $110 for oil and filter. I change it roughly every 8-10k.
My gas truck was around $50 for oil and filter. Changed it between 3-5k
Thats synthetic oils with mopar filter and mobil one in the gasser.

Not to mention the only thing i have done to my diesel in the 60k miles ive owned it has been an arbitrary serp belt, oil changes, and an occasional fuel filter and air filter.
Which you will do on any engine.
Filling up the tank hurts a little more from empty but i have always got more than 450+ miles a tank so i fill up every couple weeks.
As far as it being more expensive to buy yes they are. But in defence it will also sell for more than the nicest gas truck with 100k miles on it and people will buy them. And when my truck rots out around my cummins i will rebuild and marinize it and will be making money on it every way i look at it.

Thats all i have to say about that.
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Re: Small diesels making a U.S. comeback
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2014, 02:14:57 AM »
As for the half ton diesels.
I like the idea. One problem i see is with the smaller gvw of a half ton truck with the diesel engine i see some very expensive exhaust and emission systems coming into play.
Looking at some of the other diesels available in smaller vehicles. If you've ever been under a VW tdi, one glance at the exhaust system and you swear your staring at the tail end of a jet engine.  Cats on top of cats, with other cats, diverter valves and egr tubes etc etc.
These particular systems i speak of have nothing but problems and cost a lot to fix(going against what i mentioned above about diesels being more expensive) however its all relative.

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Re: Small diesels making a U.S. comeback
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2014, 06:39:08 AM »
They have also come a long way on efficiency in the half ton gas trucks.  I believe most are getting 20-25 mpg already.   This reduces the financial benefit diesel unless they crush these numbers for mileage. 

As for maintenance costs, I believe that injectors and cat systems will cost as much as tuneups in the long run.    If the engine ever blows up replacement costs are sky high.   I hope that more on the road brings the price of used engines as well as the option for getting them to begin with down. 

I fully understand why one would want a gas truck over diesel. 
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Re: Small diesels making a U.S. comeback
« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2014, 08:42:07 AM »
i wouldnt want a 1/2 ton, if anything I would go 1 ton, heavy duty everything. even though i blew a cummins, i still love going 80mph fully loaded.  :woot:
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Re: Small diesels making a U.S. comeback
« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2014, 11:18:20 AM »
In the end it comes down to if is there a market for them. I think the US market is pretty ready for it.  Clearly wasn't ready 20 years ago.
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Re: Small diesels making a U.S. comeback
« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2014, 07:18:02 PM »
I know the dodge 1 ton diesel exhaust is already crazy, so I can't imagine why the 1/2 ton would be any different.

I miss my old ford diesel, but I'm happy with my ram, I know when the lease is up I'm going to try to at least get into a 3/4 ton truck
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Re: Small diesels making a U.S. comeback
« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2014, 11:14:50 PM »
I always liked half tons, nicer ride, easier to work on for the most part. BUT if you end up using it for stuff trucks are made for they tend to deteriorate a lot faster than their heavy duty counterparts(3/4-1 ton) Parts are just not always up to par when you start abusing them.
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Re: Small diesels making a U.S. comeback
« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2014, 07:57:18 PM »
i wish they made a option where you didn't have to run the emissions crap on the new diesels. Most people who have older trucks are not going with new ones since problems with emission stuff and having to add exhaust fluid. If the emissions stuff screws up the truck goes into limp mode and speed limited to 50 mph and if you wait too long it get limited to 4mph which could leave you stranded 


 



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