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Title: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: Twisty on September 05, 2009, 04:46:42 PM
.....and then realize that perhaps it wasn't the best idea?


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/IMG_3612.jpg)


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/IMG_3613.jpg)



hmmmmmmm :finger:
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: RMFJ78 on September 05, 2009, 04:58:57 PM
is that the new jeep comanche short bed version?  looks good, is that going to change your wheelbase as well?  think it will be ready by next weekend?
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: Twisty on September 05, 2009, 05:02:06 PM
Ya, just rolled off the line. 

I'm going to bring the wheel base down to 109.5".  I just have to move all the mounts 1' closer to the cab.  Shouldn't be too hard. 

Another reason for doing this is my rear bumper was not safe enough for a heavy pull.  I have backed into many trees and the metal was beginning to bend and tear.  I'll get a pic to show what I mean.

It should be ready for the FC.  I don't think this will be a hard undertaking.
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: RMFJ78 on September 05, 2009, 05:32:51 PM
are you reusing stock brackets or using new ones?  definetly sets it even further apart from everyother mj out there.
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: jason m on September 05, 2009, 06:15:59 PM
man when you get a thought you do it. looks good, good looks great. you will love the shorter wheel base, heck you didn't get the chance to hate the longer wheelbase :D

jason.
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: Twisty on September 05, 2009, 06:25:01 PM
are you reusing stock brackets or using new ones?  definetly sets it even further apart from everyother mj out there.

I'll be making some new ones out of 3/16".

man when you get a thought you do it. looks good, good looks great. you will love the shorter wheel base, heck you didn't get the chance to hate the longer wheelbase :D

jason.


Yes I did.  It was killing me at Swanzey. :o
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: jason m on September 05, 2009, 06:36:10 PM
you just moving the spring pearchs or are you 4-linking it. my guess is just the pearchs like you talking about but if i know you, you all ready got the joints and the link stuff, LOL just kidding.

jason.
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: Twisty on September 05, 2009, 06:45:27 PM
Just moving the spring perches 1' forwards.  I'm going to weld the bumper to the rear frame, and probably mount the shackles to the bumper to make it as short as possible. 

I need to get grinding wheels tomorrow so I can make decent progress.

I have to have this thing done of Thursday in order to get to the Fall Crawl on time!!!!
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: Twisty on September 05, 2009, 06:46:31 PM
And on another note, the rear frame on the MJ is boxed 1/8" steel.  Much better than the 16 gauge that I thought it was.
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: Axle on September 05, 2009, 09:23:16 PM
wow Tim! can't wait to see it friday. ;D
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: Bradman on September 05, 2009, 11:00:05 PM
 :D  I love it.  gotta add this all to your 1ton mj thread though. ;)
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: Posimoto on September 06, 2009, 11:08:12 AM
I like the look Tim, certainly will be more functional for our trails in NE.

It's 8 1/2" longer then a CJ6.
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: Ian on September 06, 2009, 11:15:44 AM
dang and you didn't wait for it to start snowing!  looks spiffy but get it done for FC
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: 97ProjecTJ on September 06, 2009, 01:36:04 PM
I also like the cut. All your work motivates me to get something done on my jeep!  :P
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: jps4jeep on September 06, 2009, 04:38:25 PM
You Fu:cking Animal
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: Twisty on September 06, 2009, 06:40:26 PM
You Fu:cking Animal

:finger:


Here's today's progress.

Got the frame trimmed more, and the fenders trimmed into a comp cut.  I don't know what will come of the fenders...we will see with tire placement.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/IMG_3621.jpg)

Then I trimmed the center part.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/IMG_3622.jpg)

Trimmed the ends off the bumper.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/IMG_3619.jpg)

Put the cut up bumper on the back.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/IMG_3624.jpg)

And began to weld it on.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/IMG_3625.jpg)

Then the iMan came over to help.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/IMG_3628.jpg)

My brother welding the bumper...and iMan grinding off the spring hanger.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/IMG_3629.jpg)

Where we ended.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/IMG_3631.jpg)
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: Axle on September 06, 2009, 07:13:13 PM
 8)
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: Ian on September 06, 2009, 07:34:21 PM
tim, thanks for letting me come over and tinker on your rig
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: HEYzipupyourfly on September 06, 2009, 07:53:40 PM
nice tim, hey you should think about welding the bed to the cab as I did with mine, I swear its 100% stronger than it ever was with that connected.
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: Bradman on September 06, 2009, 08:36:48 PM
That looks BEEFY guys, nice. ;)
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: J.T. Woody on September 06, 2009, 09:33:01 PM
Sweeet.
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: 97ProjecTJ on September 07, 2009, 12:10:24 AM
Looks like they got alot of work done today. Nice photography though. :finger:
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: 98xj on September 07, 2009, 06:09:56 AM
Looking good!! Not much longer till all the body panels are replaced with tube  ;)
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: Bradman on September 07, 2009, 06:33:51 AM
you definatly should tie that rollbar into the subframe to strengthen that bed a little or it'll be the first thing to fall off when you roll.  Not a whole lot holding it on anymore.

Tuff to just take it off when you don't have a pile of tube there at your disposal to tube up the rear of the MJ though so it is better than nothing to keep things stiffened up back there, but I am with Tony on this one, attatching it to the cab and to the frame would definately secure things better.  my .02
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: Twisty on September 07, 2009, 07:13:19 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/IMG_3634.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/IMG_3633.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/IMG_3632.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/IMG_3636.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/IMG_3635.jpg)
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: Twisty on September 07, 2009, 07:16:16 PM
And my pinion angle is now abysmal.  I have to call Lou tomorrow to see if I can get some pinion shims.
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: jeepgod on September 07, 2009, 07:18:05 PM
that looks killer twisty

you shoudl def run some box or tube or something from the rollbar to the frame in case of a rollover.  it would take no time at all really and make your jeep much more safe. just my .02
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: Twisty on September 07, 2009, 07:20:26 PM
that looks killer twisty

you shoudl def run some box or tube or something from the rollbar to the frame in case of a rollover.  it would take no time at all really and make your jeep much more safe. just my .02


I will look into that idea.  I need to see what I have for material.
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: Ian on September 07, 2009, 07:21:51 PM
haha, i can't believe you did it all in a day.  nice work
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: Twisty on September 07, 2009, 07:26:38 PM
haha, i can't believe you did it all in a day.  nice work

Yeah, we made good progress today. ;D

I forgot to mention that Casey came over and helped for a few hours.  He cut brackets, and I welded.  Worked very well.



Thanks to both Ian and Casey for their help!!!!!
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: jps4jeep on September 07, 2009, 07:43:53 PM
Looks great.. But I am trying to figure out why the hell there is still a bed on this thing, take it off and be done with it.  Or atleast cut the sides off and leave the floor and build some tube around it.
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: Twisty on September 07, 2009, 07:50:21 PM
1. I have no money for tube.
2. I have no tube bender.

Next year, I promise!!!
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: Davey-P on September 07, 2009, 07:50:59 PM
looks pissa twisty good work
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: Twisty on September 07, 2009, 08:20:05 PM
Thanks Davey!
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: jerry k on September 07, 2009, 09:11:08 PM
i look the look of the bed..even if you tube it you could make some skins for the sides. just my opinion.
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: Bradman on September 07, 2009, 09:30:42 PM
i look the look of the bed..even if you tube it you could make some skins for the sides. just my opinion.

my opinion as well

I look the look too!! :woot:

jk jerry ;)
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: jason m on September 07, 2009, 09:55:48 PM
wow that's alot narrower than i pictured. i like it, shoul dbe able to sneak around thing and i bet you dumped 150-200lbs in that shot alone.
tim pick up some cheap SCH40 PIPE and run it from your roll bar down to the back of the bumper or to the frame. it will beef the crap out of the frame and really help when you roll. its PIPE yes, but its better than nothing. its going to be plenty strong to survive the next year of abuse till you can dube it.

jason.
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: Mitch on September 08, 2009, 05:49:59 AM
Tim that looks awesome! and you did it soo fast! How did it wheel? Did you trim any more around the fender? Looks like the tire was pretty close.

Nice work, love reading your threads!
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: RMFJ78 on September 08, 2009, 08:58:43 AM
you should dovetail the rear when you 4 link it and tube it, would look awesome.  when you get an idea you just act on it, you mentioned the idea and less than a week later its done.
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: Twisty on September 08, 2009, 10:33:07 AM
Tim that looks awesome! and you did it soo fast! How did it wheel? Did you trim any more around the fender? Looks like the tire was pretty close.

Nice work, love reading your threads!

Thanks Mitch.  I will be trimming that metal today, when I get home from school.  I'll get more pics up for ya.



I love the idea of tubing the rear and skinning the sides with the bed sheet metal.  I'll have to look for an MJ in a junkyard that I can harvest the sides from.  I think mine are too bent. 
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: RMFJ78 on September 08, 2009, 11:21:53 AM
Tim that looks awesome! and you did it soo fast! How did it wheel? Did you trim any more around the fender? Looks like the tire was pretty close.

Nice work, love reading your threads!

Thanks Mitch.  I will be trimming that metal today, when I get home from school.  I'll get more pics up for ya.



I love the idea of tubing the rear and skinning the sides with the bed sheet metal.  I'll have to look for an MJ in a junkyard that I can harvest the sides from.  I think mine are too bent. 

I think the dented sides give it character, you can make em work.  theres a guy in my town with a blue mj, all stock in nice shape, gonna keep an eye on it to see if it goes up for sale, or stop him someday, seeing yours makes everyone want an mj
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: Switch on September 08, 2009, 02:04:07 PM
Nice!  I vote keep the tub and just plate the sides.  I have a buddy who did that to his.  Next time I'm over there I'll take a picture or 2 for you.
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: mika401 on September 08, 2009, 03:26:42 PM
Looking forward to seeing that thing on the trail again.
Hey Tim you bringing some spare 30 spline hubs this weekend?
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: Twisty on September 08, 2009, 03:29:30 PM
No, but I can if you want.  They're the Warn units.  I won't need any with my Spicer hubs.  You on the other hand....:finger:


;D
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: Twisty on September 08, 2009, 08:18:01 PM
Well I'm down to the crunch now.  I went to Lou's shop to pick up some 6* shims for my rear axle, and upon assembly I discover that my centering pins need to be replaced. 

I've been working on the thing since I got home at 4:30.  I have 2 clip-on lights outside so I can see, BUT I'm almost done with cutting and welding.

I hope I make it.  :o
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: Bradman on September 08, 2009, 09:29:15 PM
This banner is soooooo you Tim. ;)
(http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/7123/faithc.png) (http://www.imagehosting.com/)











.............and thats just what you've done and continue to do.
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: Twisty on September 08, 2009, 10:01:15 PM
Just got in.  Ran out of wire.  I've burned through 3 lbs of wire for this little project  :o

I was on a roll too.   ::)  I'd still be out there if I had more  ;D
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: mika401 on September 09, 2009, 06:06:48 AM
I hope I make it.  :o

Its not "I hope" its "I will"!
Positive thinking!
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: mika401 on September 09, 2009, 06:08:06 AM
You on the other hand....:finger: ;D
Dam now you got me thinking!
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: Twisty on September 09, 2009, 09:20:12 PM
1.) New shackle boxes...done. 
2.) Bumper/hitch tie-ins to frame....done. 
3.) Passenger rear fender trimmed. 
4.) 6* pinion angle shim and new spring centering pins installed.  U-bolts finger tight around axle. 
5.) Shock mounts welded on, and shocks connected. 


Tomorrow I have to:
1.) Mount my hydro reservoir, and possibly bleed the system. 
2.) Hook up the brake lines, and maybe bleed them. 
3.) Make rear drive shaft.
4.) Trim driver's fender.
5.) Trim front bumper and fenders.
6.) Mount spare tire.


Will it be ready???    HHHHMMMMMM :woot:
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: Bradman on September 09, 2009, 10:09:12 PM
Will it be ready???    HHHHMMMMMM :woot:
magic 8 ball says....you betcha
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: RMFJ78 on September 10, 2009, 06:20:39 AM
1.) New shackle boxes...done. 
2.) Bumper/hitch tie-ins to frame....done. 
3.) Passenger rear fender trimmed. 
4.) 6* pinion angle shim and new spring centering pins installed.  U-bolts finger tight around axle. 
5.) Shock mounts welded on, and shocks connected. 


Tomorrow I have to:
1.) Mount my hydro reservoir, and possibly bleed the system. 
2.) Hook up the brake lines, and maybe bleed them. 
3.) Make rear drive shaft.
4.) Trim driver's fender.
5.) Trim front bumper and fenders.
6.) Mount spare tire.


Will it be ready???    HHHHMMMMMM :woot:

7.) tighten u bolts

dont want to forget that step, you wont be a happy camper if you wheel with loose u bolts
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: mika401 on September 10, 2009, 06:45:26 AM
Get R Done !!! ;D
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: Twisty on September 10, 2009, 08:33:38 PM
So upon reassembly and construction of my driveshaft I ran into a rather serious problem.  The 1310 u-joint was at its maximum angle at ride height.  After much thinking and stewing, I decided to remove a leaf from the leaf spring packs, and grind the slip yoke.  Removing a leaf spring worked beautifully, and the MJ now sits rather level.  The grinding of the yoke also proved fruitful and with the combination of the two I will have at least some down travel.  The driveshaft is cooling now, but in a few minutes I will go out and install it, and measure for shock travel.  My plan is to use the shocks to limit down travel so I won't over extend the u-joint.  God I need limiting straps.
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: jeepgod on September 10, 2009, 09:12:51 PM
So upon reassembly and construction of my driveshaft I ran into a rather serious problem.  The 1310 u-joint was at its maximum angle at ride height.  After much thinking and stewing, I decided to remove a leaf from the leaf spring packs, and grind the slip yoke.  Removing a leaf spring worked beautifully, and the MJ now sits rather level.  The grinding of the yoke also proved fruitful and with the combination of the two I will have at least some down travel.  The driveshaft is cooling now, but in a few minutes I will go out and install it, and measure for shock travel.  My plan is to use the shocks to limit down travel so I won't over extend the u-joint.  God I need limiting straps.

go to tractor supply and get axle straps. the type you use to secure a vehicle to a trailer if using ractchet straps instead of chain. i use them all the time for limiting straps, very strong, easy to mount, cheap

get it done twisty
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: Twisty on September 10, 2009, 09:37:38 PM
I like that idea.  ;D


Today I got the steering reassembled, and bled.  The driveshaft is in, and the shock mounts are re-re-re-welded.  Axle u-bolts are tight.

Quote
1.) Mount my hydro reservoir, and possibly bleed the system.
2.) Hook up the brake lines, and maybe bleed them.
3.) Make rear drive shaft.
4.) Trim driver's fender.
5.) Trim front bumper and fenders.
6.) Mount spare tire.
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: Bradman on September 11, 2009, 06:08:12 AM
skipping the first minute or so and the message fits you Twisty
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ0TZ2Tsg44
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: Twisty on September 14, 2009, 04:54:49 PM
I'd say that this "modification" has more benefit and practicality than the 1 ton swap.  Much easier to fit between trees, and much less tree contact.  Wheel base is a great number, and the truck looks more uniqe.

I am a happy camper. ;D
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: Axle on September 14, 2009, 04:57:02 PM
good job Twisty.
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: jason m on September 14, 2009, 05:19:22 PM
I'd say that this "modification" has more benefit and practicality than the 1 ton swap.  Much easier to fit between trees, and much less tree contact.  Wheel base is a great number, and the truck looks more uniqe.

I am a happy camper. ;D

i figured you were going to like it ;) are you keeping these numbers are going shorter if you 4-link it.

jason.
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: jps4jeep on September 15, 2009, 06:59:38 AM
No trying to egg you on but... FOUR LINK THE REAR
Title: Re: Do you ever do something.....
Post by: Twisty on September 15, 2009, 07:13:09 AM
In due time.

 :woot:

Jason-  I'm not sure that I will do with the wheel base when I link it.  I really like what I did with the bumper on the rear, and I'd hate to cut it off.  Maybe once I go bigger in tire size, I will stretch the wheel base out again to give myself a 90* departure angle.