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Title: spyder III begins
Post by: SPYDER on June 22, 2013, 03:30:31 PM
so I guess I've made enough mods so far to deserve a build thread now.  and maybe having a tread going will keep me motivated to keep working on this piece.  bought it last year with just over 50k on the clock and a good starting point for what I want.

05 TJ sport w/auto
d44 front w/4.88's, arb and chromo's
d44 rear w/4.88's, arb
5.5" RE long arm
some sort of cross-over steering w/heim rod ends
37" irok's on mickey Thompson wheels
psc rocker knockers


Couldn't have been happier with the decision and the purchase.  wished it was a stick but o well.  it came with hard top and soft top.  they also threw in a safari top and duster.  They also gave me a set of uninstalled crusher corners w/3" flares...I removed the flares and bolted them on when I did the front fenders.
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p638/Spyder05/05%20wrangler/IMG_0078.jpg)

first off went the flares and most of the front fenders after a run-in with a tree at the sawmill.
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p638/Spyder05/05%20wrangler/IMG_0159.jpg)
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p638/Spyder05/05%20wrangler/IMG_0171.jpg)

then I needed a stubby front bumper so a call to Gen-right fixed that.  While everything was apart I decided to throw an anti-rock in as well.
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p638/Spyder05/05%20wrangler/IMG_0220.jpg)
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p638/Spyder05/05%20wrangler/IMG_0228.jpg)

For some reason the previous owner swapped in the d44 rear axle from an earlier tj, because I ran my vin and found out it came from the factory with a d44 and disc brakes but I had drums....odd but o well.  I bought the tera-flex disc brake conversion and some superior chromo shafts for it.

I then decided I needed some protection, so I got a psc trail cage, bolt on harness bar and a set of corbuea 5 points.
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p638/Spyder05/05%20wrangler/IMG_0240.jpg)
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p638/Spyder05/IMG_0027_zps886305c4.jpg)
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p638/Spyder05/IMG_0031_zps1a11507b.jpg)

I never really liked my rear bumper and it was starting to rust, so off it came and a Gen-right frame plate took its place.  
Apparently I don't have pics of it though

After the bumper I decided to convert my tailgate to a CJ style drop down with a swag conversion kit.  good kit, crapy directions
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p638/Spyder05/IMG_0284_zps1e284ad9.jpg)


My plan is at some point in the future to stretch the wheel base back a few inches and 1-ton the jeep, so I need to start making room, so the gas tank had to go.
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p638/Spyder05/05%20wrangler/IMG_0143_zps674122f1.jpg)

Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: jerry k on June 22, 2013, 06:57:32 PM
Good stuff Matt.. keep it coming.
What I like the most is that you try to wheel as much as possible, no better way to test out your mods !
Don't worry , maybe after you one ton it and step up to some 40"+ tires you might be able to hang with the cj's.
 ;D
Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: SPYDER on June 22, 2013, 07:44:35 PM
Yea yea....I can't explain it.   Next up is going to be finally fixing all the control arm bushings that are worn and throw in the 3.5" springs and hopefully do some sort of highline mod to the front.  We will see. 


On the ride home from the shop tonight I noticed I had a small leak from the pump.  Gonna have to fix that when I finalize all the plumbing later this week.   
Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: Casey L on June 22, 2013, 10:44:18 PM
Good stuff. Does that style of roll bar offer enough protection to the a pillar? I am thinking of something similar but unsure about how the sheet steel holds up compared to a traditional bar to the floor.
Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: jps4jeep on June 22, 2013, 11:33:05 PM
should have kept the green XJ, or the first black TJ or the yellow TJ.  just think, all the money invested in this rig invested in those would have been HUGE.

Keep it going!
Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: SPYDER on June 23, 2013, 07:52:44 AM
No green xj. That was bobs. But yes I agree I should have kept the first black tj.  Live and learn.  This jeep isn't going anywhere.


O and to help anyone else avoid the headache I've been dealing with....the fuel line running to the pump uses a 5/16 fitting but where it connects to the actual fuel pump is 3/8....why I can't tell you but it does.  Just means one more order of an fittings from summit.   I hate buying an fittings.


A single tube from the floor to the top of the a-pillar will be stronger but you have to drill thru the dash or give up a good amount of foot space.  I know psc had issues with the original design which is why there is no longer a logo in the legs.  I ran there old style in the first jeep with no issue, which is why I went that route again.  But with that said I do plan on adding a lot to it.  I want to add vertical bars from dash to upper cross-bar and some door and seat supports when I get new seats.
Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: Twisty on June 23, 2013, 10:50:33 AM
 :P :finger:

https://newenglandjeepz.org/forum/for-sale/2002-tj/msg2097/#msg2097



I like your current Jeep better. :)
Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: SPYDER on June 23, 2013, 12:28:11 PM
Thanks.  I can't believe you found that post.

They are amazingly similar but wheel so much differently.  The auto is taking sometime to get used too but I'm slowly figuring out how to make it work. 
Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: SPYDER on July 01, 2013, 03:26:07 PM
so for the past week, ive been driving the jeep with the most getto fuel line possible waiting for polyperformance to send me the correct fuel line adaptor to hook up the fuel pump.  when I placed the order last sat I told them I need 2 day shipping, no big deal.  on Monday when I talked to them again cause there was an issue with my address on file, I told them again 2 day shipping, I was told no problem they are going out today you will have them by the end of the week.  so Friday came and went no delivery, so I was like ok whatever it'll be here Monday.  waited for ups...no package. so I called.....and was told....o yea that's going out for delivery tomorrow but with the holiday you won't see it till sometime next week.  not good....tried getting them to give me free overnight or anything to make it right. they wouldn't d0 anything to help me. so I canceled my order and called summit...correct fitting will be here tomorrow and since I explained my situation to the lady I was talking to, im getting free overnight shipping.


so the moral to the story is screw poly apparently they are adopting ballistic's old policies of screw the customer
Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: Ian on July 01, 2013, 03:47:07 PM
For fast shipping on fittings it is tough to beat summit racing.
Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: SPYDER on July 01, 2013, 05:13:37 PM
I agree.  The only reason I went with poly over summit originally was that on summits site I couldn't find a -6an to 3/8" efi fitting....only the -8 one.  I didn't want to convert sizes and put more stress on the plastic fuel pump nipple. 


Today I found out summit does carry the correct size -6 one its just not on the website for some reason.
Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: Twisty on July 01, 2013, 07:43:18 PM
Summit is the bees knees  8)
Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: SPYDER on July 02, 2013, 10:00:12 AM
930 correct fitting shows up at the shop...love it....if only I had my jeep here and it would stop raining for a day or two so I can actually drive the jeep without getting soaked   :woot:
Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: SPYDER on October 01, 2013, 06:51:55 PM
After wheeling at fall crawl and hanging with the big dogs, I've decided its time to take the next step.   Since I've still got plenty of meat on my tires and money is tight I'm not stepping up to tons yet but I'm starting to gather parts for the rear stretch.  For those that have done it or those that just know more than me, what's the ideal wheelbase I should shoot for with 37's and knowing I only plan on going to 40's when I ton it.  I was thinking 100ish and then when the tons go in or I go full-hydro push the front out a couple inches.   Or should I just go out further backwards now?  I just kinda wanna do the rear once.
Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: rich on October 03, 2013, 08:02:50 PM
Are you going to comp cut it?
My cj is 102"  6" in the rear (hee hee) and 2 in the front on 39's
Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: SPYDER on October 04, 2013, 07:31:36 PM
I'd like to keep a little behind the tire but if I choose to go back further I have no problem fully comp-cutting. 
Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: jeepgod on October 05, 2013, 08:06:41 AM
Ok just my little advice about building your jeep. Make sure you think of the long term effects of turning your jeep into a total trail machine. I have no idea how far you are going to take your build but at some point you will certainly want to go"all in" with it and when that happens you will take a jeep that is currently street able and make it useless for anything other than trails.

Now a few years ago I would have said "F it! Go all in" but now I can tell you that having a jeep that you can do more than just trail ride is way more fun. 

Just a little advice from a guy who has had completely streetable to completely off road only jeep to full tube buggy and now back to building a streetable off road true dual purpose jeep. 

Good luck
Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: Axle on October 05, 2013, 08:20:03 AM
good advice Todd! I agree.
Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: SPYDER on October 05, 2013, 04:39:00 PM
That's why I was thinking only going to 100. Just not sure if I'll regret it in the long run.  Cause then I can keep a rear fender and technically pass a sticker and keep it on the road.  I barely drive it as it is but I do enjoy driving it. 
Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: jeepgod on October 05, 2013, 05:23:40 PM
Honestly, think about it. So you won't be able to run the uber hardcore trails without pulling cable every once in a while, oh well

I know guys who run crazy hard trails and they have stock wheelbases, 100" is plenty. just keep it as low as possible. On my cj5 I now run stock yj springs (used to be 4" yj springs) with around a 95" wheelbase and I cut the tub more and run 37" sticky krawlers. It's so much more stable and I can pretty much go anywhere I want. Although the cj has seen better days, much better days. This is a trail only cj, it was to far gone to bring back.

My commando is currently getting tons, it is spring over and 37" tires but it will be street legal at all costs. That's the jeep I enjoy the most now, I can go get ice cream with the family or I will be able to run hard trails with the fam
Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: SPYDER on October 06, 2013, 09:27:15 AM
Makes sense.   
Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: J.T. Woody on October 23, 2013, 02:11:31 PM
Nice looking Jeep, Matt!

Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: SPYDER on November 10, 2013, 08:26:24 PM
So I got a questions for all those running a rci fuel cell.  What are you using for a gasket in your cap?  The original o-ring lasted a week before expanding and becoming useless.  The replacement o-ring I found lasted a couple months but just did it as well.   So what gives, what type of o-ring do I need?
Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: SPYDER on May 12, 2014, 12:22:58 PM
its been awhile since I added to this and we are dead at work and im bored.  so why not.

decided to add some protection for the girly or anybody else in the passenger seat...
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p638/Spyder05/05%20wrangler/IMG_0591_zpsf108eb30.jpg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/Spyder05/media/05%20wrangler/IMG_0591_zpsf108eb30.jpg.html)


since my plans have changed just a little these past few months, I needed to come up with a way to pass a sticker again this year.  so I drilled some holes bolted on the stock rear flares and made some new ones for the front.
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p638/Spyder05/05%20wrangler/IMG_0576_zpse37e0b19.jpg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/Spyder05/media/05%20wrangler/IMG_0576_zpse37e0b19.jpg.html)
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p638/Spyder05/05%20wrangler/IMG_0631_zps0cc42fb9.jpg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/Spyder05/media/05%20wrangler/IMG_0631_zps0cc42fb9.jpg.html)
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p638/Spyder05/05%20wrangler/IMG_0632_zps8bb94e8a.jpg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/Spyder05/media/05%20wrangler/IMG_0632_zps8bb94e8a.jpg.html)
Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: SPYDER on May 12, 2014, 12:26:06 PM
I also added a gen-right prerunner style tire carrier, just no pics of it yet, cause its not 100% finished and painted yet...as soon as I get it done, ill take some pics.  also hoping to get the corbeau Baja ss seats ordered up in the next couple of days.
Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: jps4jeep on May 13, 2014, 06:27:52 AM
Right on!
Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: 05rckymtn on May 13, 2014, 08:10:17 AM
Build on.....
Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: SPYDER on May 13, 2014, 10:12:26 AM
if my plans stay the same, more then more than likely this jeep will go back to dd status, cause im looking at trading my cobra for an already 1-toned jeep
Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: SPYDER on June 16, 2014, 05:38:28 PM
I've been driving the jeep a lot too and from work and around town, love the way it drives now with weight over the rear tires.   It's like a whole different jeep.  But I've noticed a lot of raw fuel smell.  More than usual.  I've looked for leaks but can't find any, I'm not setting any codes, so I'm assuming my system is good and sealed.   So why can I smell it?  What can I do to get rid of it?   The cell is right behind the front seats, all Russell fittings and hoses. 
Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: jps4jeep on June 16, 2014, 05:54:30 PM
Did you spill during filling? Never had a fuel smell from mine.

No evap would lead me to believe it is sealed.
Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: Twisty on June 16, 2014, 06:35:41 PM
I used Summit stainless braided hoses, and I swear that the fuel fumes seep out through the hose.  If you smell the hose, you can smell gas.  Not sure what's going on, but it's not leaking. 
Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: SPYDER on June 16, 2014, 08:20:07 PM
On really hot days you would get a small smell cause I don't have a charcoal canister but this is a lot stronger.   I have been having issues with the o-ring inside the filler cap but I'll have to check it again.


No I didn't spill
Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: Bluerocket on June 17, 2014, 06:34:18 AM
How is your breather setup?    Mine leaks gas smell from there. 
Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: SPYDER on June 17, 2014, 06:59:12 AM
its routed down under the jeep over to the passenger rear fender where the charcoal canister and evap stuff was, and hooked up to the nvld pump and then to the vent...so basically factory minus the charcoal canister.


im gonna swap the o-ring on the filler neck today with a new one and see if it changes anything.   got in the jeep this morning no smell, as soon as I started the jeep, I got the smell.
Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: jps4jeep on June 17, 2014, 08:42:39 AM
How is the cell mounted.  I know some of the early RCI cells have the small tangs on the bottom that look like mounting provisions, but there should have been a sticker to not use them as mounting points. I wonder if there is a very fine hair line crack in that area that is slowly leaking.  If the leak is constantly surrounded by the fuel, you may not get a EVAP code.
Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: SPYDER on June 17, 2014, 12:06:29 PM
artec mount....I thought about that as well...I plan on working on it for a little tonight so im gonna take all my crap out of the back and see what I can find...I hope its not cracked
Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: SPYDER on June 17, 2014, 04:03:47 PM
found a small fuel leak at the core pump ring....fun....


took it all apart last night and dumped the whole tube of seal all around the ring and tightened it all back together.  unfortunately I broke a bolt but it appears to be sealed again...or at least no fumes on the drive home and then back to work today...so we will see
Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: SPYDER on August 30, 2014, 11:37:26 AM
quick update on fuel cell...still leaking.  its coming all back apart and either getting completely welded or im making a new one. 

on a different note....only broke the left u-joint at the BBQ.  all back together now.  ill post up the pics when I get them loaded
Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: Twisty on August 30, 2014, 12:51:28 PM
Glad it was just the u-joint.   8)
Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: SPYDER on August 31, 2014, 06:18:05 AM
Me too since that's the side my stub shaft is not chromoly.
Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: SPYDER on October 18, 2014, 05:30:24 PM
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They are multiplying
Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: SPYDER on October 18, 2014, 05:40:27 PM
Finally sold the cobra a few months ago.  So I went and bought another jeep, this one is less jeep more buggy than I originally wanted.  But I couldn't pass it up.  It needs a little work but nothing I can't figure out.  

It's a 1999 TJ that was backhalfed.  Custom cage and rockers all tied to the frame.  The floor ends right behind the seats.  It's a 4.0 with I think roughly 135k but not sure cause the cluster didn't work when I got it and I swapped in a junk yard one and it's got less miles.  ;D. 5speed with a twin sticked atlas.  Not sure on the reduction but it crawls pretty slow.  Dana 60 front and rear.  Rear is a Detroit and front is an ARB. I think stock shafts front and rear but has Yukon u-joints.  5.13 gearing.   4 link front and rear.  Double triangulated rear.  16" air shocks front and rear.  40" creepy crawlers.  


It went really well today at the summit.  Need to definitely lower air pressure and fix my sticking hiem cause that bastard gets annoying fast.    But otherwise I'm impressed for its first run.  I'll get more pics up soon.  


I still got the 05.  It's going to the wifey as her wheeler...with some slight modification from its present form.  
Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: jerry k on October 18, 2014, 10:35:52 PM
It looked great in person! Good luck with your new rig !
Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: Axle on October 19, 2014, 08:48:03 AM
 8)
Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: Twisty on October 19, 2014, 01:54:41 PM
Congrats.  Where did you get it from?
Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: SPYDER on October 19, 2014, 04:48:36 PM
I found it on pirate.  Had it shipped up from North Carolina.  Went back and forth with the kid selling it for awhile.  He didn't build it and only had it for a few months so he didn't know a ton but knew enough.  It's the one I was talking about at the BBQ, and the reason behind all the questions about air shocks and joints lately.  


Since I've had it I've already replaced 1 seat, it was rough.  Added a set of chassis unlimited sliders to the drivers seat and made some matching height risers for the passenger seat.   Also got all new harnesses for them.  Had to fix a bolt in the atlas support ring....which turned into a nightmare cause I broke the tap off twice.  And fix a cracked control arm bracket.  O yea and actually attach the dash to the vehicle.  When I got it it was just stuck between the body and cage.  

The only stuff I really need to do still is fix the sticking hiem joint, reroute my exhaust, the passenger upper makes contact badly.  Recharge the shocks again...still not sitting the way I want.  Also want to swap out the no name winch for my warn I have sitting around with synthetic line.  Also need to find and fix the fuel leak from the cell.


Should be perfect for next season.  
Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: SPYDER on October 19, 2014, 04:59:38 PM
A couple pics of the suspension and steering...

(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p638/Spyder05/imagejpg7_zps37321845.jpg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/Spyder05/media/imagejpg7_zps37321845.jpg.html)

(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p638/Spyder05/imagejpg6_zps37c5e40c.jpg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/Spyder05/media/imagejpg6_zps37c5e40c.jpg.html)

(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p638/Spyder05/imagejpg2_zps81d7533d.jpg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/Spyder05/media/imagejpg2_zps81d7533d.jpg.html)

(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p638/Spyder05/imagejpg1_zps6c7b96b1.jpg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/Spyder05/media/imagejpg1_zps6c7b96b1.jpg.html)

(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p638/Spyder05/imagejpg5_zps9d7d5b2a.jpg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/Spyder05/media/imagejpg5_zps9d7d5b2a.jpg.html)

(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p638/Spyder05/imagejpg8_zpsf6805789.jpg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/Spyder05/media/imagejpg8_zpsf6805789.jpg.html)

(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p638/Spyder05/imagejpg3_zps162b4013.jpg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/Spyder05/media/imagejpg3_zps162b4013.jpg.html)


Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: Twisty on October 21, 2014, 09:03:49 PM
Wish I was with NEJz on Saturday to check it out.  How did you like wheeling the new rig?
Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: SPYDER on October 22, 2014, 08:06:13 AM
it was different....a lot wider and more stable then I ever thought it would be.  definitely need to fix the sticking joint cause that got old quick.  but I liked it.  for the pumpkin all being in the same spot relatively...I sure managed to get stuck on them a lot...time will fix that.  that and the driving a stick again was different but I forgot how nice it was to put it in first tuck your feet back and just barely roll down a hill.  can't wait to get it out again...hoping to get the joint fixed before carnage work day but not looking like it will happen so probably will take the tj instead
Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: Twisty on October 22, 2014, 01:29:22 PM
I too have found that being wider definitely takes more time to get through tight areas, but really pays off when you're side-hilling or climbing something off camber.  I had the MJ in a few spots last weekend where I felt I was ->||<- that close to flopping, but my spotters said I was fine.  I've never "crawled" with a stick, but I really like the control that I have with the auto.
Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: SPYDER on October 22, 2014, 01:57:53 PM
yea...its more tire placement than anything that's causing me issues...ive got no idea where the passenger tires are...im gonna get a cheap back-up camera like maki did for the passenger front. 


my other tj was the first auto ive ever wheeled and I like it better except for trying to crawl down a hill.  I don't know if its something with my gear ratio or trans but unless im actually giving it gas it won't compression break. but the 2 previous tj's where sticks, so it should all eventually come back to me.  just need more seat time.
Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: Twisty on October 22, 2014, 02:15:28 PM
If I have the shifter in D, the MJ will coast down a hill and gain speed.  If I drop the shifter into 1-2, it will compression brake.  It's a pretty nice option to have.  ;D
Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: SPYDER on October 22, 2014, 02:46:27 PM
mine does it any gear, d or 1st.  ive thought about swapping in an aw4 but that's a lot of fab work to get the crank sensor to read properly.  ive also looked into shift kits but nobody really makes one for the 42rle
Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: XJFever on October 23, 2014, 05:18:24 PM
pretty sure I saw this rig in person when I was at the dealership replacing my struts and upper control arms a few weeks back.... thing is pretty bad ass.
Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: SPYDER on October 23, 2014, 05:56:36 PM
Possibly....hmmm.....on what vehicle?


Yea I had it delivered there when I first got it, and since I can't work on it at my apartment, I left it at the shop for awhile.  But my boss got annoyed with it so it's here now cuddling with the 05 in the garage. 
Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: jwebb1998 on October 28, 2014, 08:32:21 AM
You wheeled it?  Where are the pics!  I wont believe it until i see it.... :woot:
Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: SPYDER on October 28, 2014, 07:16:07 PM
Yes I took it out two weeks ago,  sorry no pics have really serviced yet. I was too busy driving to worry about the camera and the girl likes to ride not walk so she rarely gets out, unless I tell her to cause I know it's going to be interesting.  


Next time I take it out I'll make sure to get pics.
Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: jwebb1998 on October 29, 2014, 07:03:01 AM
If you ever need a spotter/camera man, let me know  ;D
Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: SPYDER on October 29, 2014, 01:20:23 PM
sounds good
Title: Re: spyder III begins
Post by: SPYDER on December 15, 2014, 11:42:56 AM
so ive finally decided to get off my lazy butt and start fixing some of the crap I found wrong on the buggy when I as up at the summit last time out.  the first thing on the list is the fuel cell cause that's leaking like crazy.  I haven't had a chance to get a good look at it yet, to determine if its a cracked weld or a bad gasket but I was looking for others opinions on the issue.
 
the cell is a rci 17g unit that was modified by one of the previous owners to have a recess in the middle to fit the factory pump w/gen-right ring.  not knowing the quality of the welds or anything but knowing its leaking.  would you trust the cell and just try to reseal it or start over.  the reason I am asking is cause I need a new cell for the 05tj and was gonna just swap that one into the buggy and buy a 1 new one for the 05.  or should I just go for broke and replace both and start over from scratch.  money isn't a deciding factor, its whether or not I should trust someone elses work that is possibly going to spew fuel all over me
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Post by: Twisty on December 15, 2014, 12:07:00 PM
How much is your and your wife's life worth?  $300 for a new cell is a bargain compared to the alternative.
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Post by: SPYDER on December 15, 2014, 12:14:23 PM
agreed...that's kinda where I am at, but I wasn't sure if I was simply over complicating things
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Post by: Twisty on December 15, 2014, 12:53:00 PM
If you can locate the leak and determine that it is a gasket and not a weld, then I would fix the gasket issue.  If it is a weld that has failed then I would scrap start fresh.

But if you don't feel like doing any of that then pursue the safest alternative.


There is a fellow in the XJ section of Priate who is building a new rig because his old one caught on fire from a leaky fuel cell.  The fuel leaked out of the cell and pooled under it.  He thinks that it ignited when he hit a rock something sparked.  He was only able to save the axles (which needed new seals because they had melted).




This reminds me that I have to fix my venting issue.  :'(
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Post by: SPYDER on December 15, 2014, 01:42:09 PM
I actually read some of that post....

I plan on finding the leak but the location it appeared to be leaking from was not a seal area...but ill take a closer look hopefully this weekend when I have some time.
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Post by: SPYDER on June 28, 2015, 08:16:22 AM
So it's been awhile since I've done any sort of updates here...

Let's start with the buggy.....it's been a very slow process lately.  Between the wedding and having to give up my garage spaces at the apartment, I haven't had much time to work on it.  But have managed to make some progress.  Sadly no pics though.   But got the stock steering wheel off and swapped over for a remove able grant.   So much easier getting in and out now.  After that was done I decided to tackle some wiring, cause the kid I bought it from, knew nothing about proper wiring.   Now everything works like it's supposed to and I don't have to engage a locker in order to listen to music, ::)

Also did some basic maintainer on it.  Changed all the fluids.  When I opened up the rear diff I was given a good surprise.  I was told I had 4.88 gears and a Detroit.  Well I have 5.13 gears and a spool.  Awesome, but what else did this kid not know about.  I guess I'll find out as I go deeper. 

I still need to locate the fuel leak, but I've narrowed it down to a couple fittings, just need to locate which one and reseal it.
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Post by: SPYDER on June 28, 2015, 08:22:44 AM
So now the 05.....which presently I'm having a love hate relationship with.  The past 2 times I have taken it, it has broken.  Nothing major but enough to end my day and be frustrating.  But upgrading those parts is not an option at the moment or anytime soon. So il have to live with it and deal. 

Finally got around to replacing the fuel cell with a 2162 from rci and a new artec mount.  Got the genright stock fuel pump install ring.   So much nicer than the old kore setup I was using.  So far no leaks.   Now I just need to straighten out my very bent exhaust from the last trip with my brother in law behind the wheel. 
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Post by: NotMyTJ5150 on June 28, 2015, 09:38:23 AM
not my fault..    What was that rock doing in the middle of the woods while I was backing up!!!   lol
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Post by: SPYDER on June 28, 2015, 09:52:59 AM
I just picked up a trans cooler for the 05 but still need to get all the lines and fittings, trying to decide if I should bypass the stock cooler in the radiator or not?
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Post by: Axle on June 28, 2015, 10:38:51 AM
use 'em both
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Post by: rich on June 28, 2015, 02:23:39 PM
And double check to see if the front has 4:88's or 5:13's

That's almost as crazy as running a 39" tire on the driver side and a 42" tire on the passenger side
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Post by: SPYDER on June 28, 2015, 03:14:56 PM
I checked them   They are the same.
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Post by: SPYDER on June 29, 2015, 06:59:33 AM
take multiple steps forward and one giant one backwards....walked into the shop this morning to find 2 giant puddles of gear oil under the buggy...both inner seals on the front housing appear to be nonexistent...or I seriously overfilled...im hoping for the second but I don't have that kind of luck.  looks like I know what im doing tonight.
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Post by: Axle on June 29, 2015, 07:49:15 AM
oh boy
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Post by: SPYDER on June 29, 2015, 08:24:55 AM
Anybody have any good tips on taking apart a d60 king axle.   This will be my first time
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Post by: Twisty on June 29, 2015, 10:10:33 AM
No real advise, but it's not that bad.  Pay attention to how tight you torque your wheel bearings to.  You do not want to go too tight.
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Post by: SPYDER on June 29, 2015, 02:14:19 PM
at lunch I went back out to it and opened the fill plug...its still holding a lot of fluid so Im leaning towards I way over filled it cause I was not paying attention to how much I put into it...I was on the phone and getting yelled at.  so I think i over filled it but ill look closer at it tonight after work
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Post by: rich on June 29, 2015, 06:06:52 PM
look up dana 60 bible on pirate all your torque specs are there. it is something like torque 70 lbs back off 1/4 turn
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Post by: SPYDER on July 10, 2015, 12:05:23 PM
so...I gave it a few days and now the level is sitting just below the shafts in the housing, and has stopped leaking out the tubes....so im a dumb ass and overfilled it.  when I have some time this winter and hopefully some space ill take it apart and replace all the seals in both axles, but for now im just gonna run it and hope for the best.  its not like im going to be racing it.
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Post by: Bluerocket on July 10, 2015, 02:45:01 PM
so...I gave it a few days and now the level is sitting just below the shafts in the housing, and has stopped leaking out the tubes....so im a dumb ass and overfilled it.  when I have some time this winter and hopefully some space ill take it apart and replace all the seals in both axles, but for now im just gonna run it and hope for the best.  its not like im going to be racing it.

It will not be an issue, I'd almost guarantee it. 
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Post by: SPYDER on July 10, 2015, 04:55:15 PM
I know.  There is still at the minimum 1 quart of fluid if it leaked out to the bottom of the tubes.  So I'm not really worried. 
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Post by: Ian on July 10, 2015, 05:51:17 PM
look up dana 60 bible on pirate

i remember printing out a bunch of this info so i would have to keep getting my phone dirty (or ask time)

i'd recomend to just 3 hole punch it and add it to a binder for later reference.
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Post by: SPYDER on August 01, 2015, 07:32:24 AM
Minor update....the buggy now has a roof and a working cb.  Just need to tune it.  I'm hoping by the end of the day it will have some tunes and some fresh fluids and be all ready for the bbq next weekend.
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Post by: SPYDER on August 22, 2015, 06:52:21 PM
Buggy worked awesome at the bbq.  Climbed everything I tried.  Found a few flaws but otherwise was a great weekend.  Found the source of the fuel leak. The entire section added into the fuel cell for the factory pump was cracked.  So that cell is now gone.  Plan was to shoe horn in the Rci 2161 I had originaly in the 05 but earlier this summer swapped out for a 2162.  Well it didn't fit. So I could either redesign the whole rear section of cage or mount it in my cargo area.  Well that's the plan for now.  We shall see how it turns out.
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Post by: SPYDER on August 23, 2015, 07:33:02 AM
Yesterday was the first time I have ever welded without gas using flux core.  It's different but no harder.  Just took some time to learn the machine. The welds are not gonna win any awards but they are strong.  Thanks again Bob for the welder.  I'm gonna put it to good use in the next coming months redoing the cage. Definitely going to ipgrade to gas though, before I start structural welding.
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Post by: Axle on August 23, 2015, 07:38:50 AM
 :cheers:
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Post by: Bluerocket on August 23, 2015, 08:32:29 AM
For some reason I have it in my memory that flux-core burns hotter and can do thicker material.   Is that true if your machine?    Gas certainly makes a nicer weld. 
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Post by: Ian on August 23, 2015, 09:19:20 AM
flux core is also tougher on the consumables.

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Post by: SPYDER on August 23, 2015, 02:47:09 PM
I'm not sure if you can weld thicker material with flux core or not.  This is my first experience with it. 
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Post by: Twisty on August 23, 2015, 03:56:26 PM
Yes,flux does run hotter.  I used to go through welding gloves more frequently before I was setup for mig.  I prefer mig; less toxic smoke, easier to see the puddle, less post weld cleanup.  Many of the welds on the MJ were done with flux core and are still holding on strong today.
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Post by: Ian on August 23, 2015, 05:47:13 PM
i keep a roll of flux core .030 in my tool box at all times for 2 reasons.  If i run out of gas in mid project and if i have to weld outside for a good bit.


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Post by: SPYDER on August 23, 2015, 06:53:25 PM
It's definitely hot.  I set down the mount bracket on a bucket after welding it and it kinda made it a tunnel not a bucket.  O well. I guess I owe my dad a bucket from lowes.

Good to know the mj has flux core welds.  I still need more practice before I make any major changes to the buggy.
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Post by: SPYDER on September 01, 2015, 05:41:24 PM
Got the new/old fuel cell mounted in the buggy.  Did not fit where the original one did so I had to improvise.  It's sold but temporary till I have time and funds to buy some tubing so I can re-do a lot of the rear 1/2 of the cage.  But that's a winter project.  Just need to run the fuel line from the pump to the rail, cross my fingers and turn the key. 
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Post by: Axle on September 01, 2015, 07:04:30 PM
thumbs up
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Post by: jerry k on September 01, 2015, 09:25:44 PM
Good stuff Matt ! Fall Crawls around the corner  :burnout:
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Post by: SPYDER on September 09, 2015, 10:20:19 AM
well after a very stressful weekend waiting for parts, the buggy lives again.  finished the fuel line last night and fired it up.  no leaks, so we are good.  was hoping to have time to play with the steering but that will have to be another time....
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Post by: Posimoto on September 09, 2015, 11:25:54 AM
Good to hear Matt