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Title: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on November 14, 2010, 03:45:12 PM
First some pics of the MJ beside Ian's TJ.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4019.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4020.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4021.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4022.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4023.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4024.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4025.jpg)



Ian using the plasma cutter to remove some brackets from the 14b.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4026.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4027.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4028.jpg)


14b all stripped of brackets

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4029.jpg)


60 beginning bracket removal.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4030.jpg)


As it sits now...waiting to be worked on again.   :'(

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4031.jpg)
Title: Re: Stage 5...it begins.
Post by: DanielBoone on November 14, 2010, 03:56:07 PM
what the heck are you doin?  :D
Title: Re: Stage 5...it begins.
Post by: HEYzipupyourfly on November 14, 2010, 04:11:42 PM
Jeeesh I am never going to get my jack stands back................ ::)
Title: Re: Stage 5...it begins.
Post by: Twisty on November 14, 2010, 04:15:06 PM
Those are mine, thankyouverymuch.



Yours are sitting beside the workbench.   ::)
Title: Re: Stage 5...it begins.
Post by: Twisty on November 14, 2010, 04:16:50 PM
what the heck are you doin?  :D

Rear 4 link, airshocks on all 4 corners, cage, lowering ~3 inches.


FWIW, the belly height at the lowest point was at 25.25" before we started the tear down.
Title: Re: Stage 5...it begins.
Post by: Bradman on November 14, 2010, 05:13:20 PM
man you two kill me . 
Title: Re: Stage 5...it begins.
Post by: Ian on November 14, 2010, 05:31:01 PM
tony, iFab would like renew our borrowing of your jackstand  ;D
Title: Re: Stage 5...it begins.
Post by: jeepgod on November 14, 2010, 05:40:14 PM
better be a winch included in this build!!! ::)
Title: Re: Stage 5...it begins.
Post by: Ian on November 14, 2010, 05:59:58 PM
better be a winch included in this build!!! ::)

haha tim doesn't want to be "that guy" anymore!
Title: Re: Stage 5...it begins.
Post by: Twisty on November 14, 2010, 06:23:28 PM
Yes, I am going to be sure that I include a winch.   ;D
Title: Re: Stage 5...it begins.
Post by: Ian on November 14, 2010, 06:27:10 PM
i look like a bad  mother cutting off those brackets :hick:
Title: Re: Stage 5...it begins.
Post by: HEYzipupyourfly on November 14, 2010, 06:46:44 PM
tony, iFab would like renew our borrowing of your jackstand  ;D
yeah well I am going to be difficult, you need to bring them back so i can re-stamp your borrow card.
Title: Re: Stage 5...it begins.
Post by: Mitch on November 14, 2010, 06:49:24 PM
yay!!!
Title: Re: Stage 5...it begins.
Post by: jps4jeep on November 14, 2010, 07:09:39 PM
so tim and ian...

ya your welcome   ::)

see you thursday
Title: Re: Stage 5...it begins.
Post by: jeepgod on November 16, 2010, 09:46:57 AM
quote from jon, twisty:  "if tim doesn't put a winch on that thing i am going to ridicule him relentlessly"

i have seen the ridicule he is referring to, please put a winch on it this time
Title: Re: Stage 5...it begins.
Post by: jps4jeep on November 16, 2010, 01:17:10 PM
do suck down winches count?
Title: Re: Stage 5...it begins.
Post by: jon on November 16, 2010, 05:48:06 PM
quote from jon, twisty:  "if tim doesn't put a winch and a real cage on that thing i am going to ridicule him relentlessly"

i have seen the ridicule he is referring to, please put a winch on it this time
Title: Re: Stage 5...it begins.
Post by: Twisty on November 16, 2010, 05:58:39 PM
The MJ will be getting a full roll cage made from 1.75x.120 DOM.  I have 8.5 sticks, with access to 2-3 more.  In total I will have access to ~240' of DOM.  The MJ is getting a MAJOR chop-job (cab removal/boatsides) and will be re-worked from the radiator back.  At this point in time it is completely unsafe to wheel (hard), because if it rolls, the passengers WILL be seriously injured/killed.  Both a-pillars are bent, and the cab is beginning to crush in.  When I sit in it normally, my shoulder/elbow stick out the side.  I also have a pair of suspension seats that I am putting in.  4 point harnesses are going in too.  

When the MJ is done, it will be lower, safer, more stable, and more fun.  And it will have a winch.




So don't ridicule me yet!!  ::)
Title: Re: Stage 5...it begins.
Post by: mika401 on November 16, 2010, 06:10:20 PM
You should have seen the looks I was getting at the Fall Crawl when Brad & Kazu realized I had no winch.  I think they held back  ;D
Title: Re: Stage 5...it begins.
Post by: Casey L on November 16, 2010, 11:49:15 PM
I can't wait to see how this turns out!
Title: Re: Stage 5...it begins.
Post by: Bradman on November 16, 2010, 11:53:04 PM
Winter is upon us....there won't be any chesnuts roasting on Tim's open fire....maybe some jeep parts :fire:
Title: Re: Stage 5...it begins.
Post by: jeepgod on November 17, 2010, 07:35:18 AM
You should have seen the looks I was getting at the Fall Crawl when Brad & Kazu realized I had no winch.  I think they held back  ;D

i could tell you what they thought if you really wanted to know? they are good friends of mine
Title: Re: Stage 5...it begins.
Post by: Ian on November 17, 2010, 07:49:02 AM
this is the point where if time brought out his solid works drawing of his build finished he would blow everyone away!

Title: Re: Stage 5...it begins.
Post by: mika401 on November 17, 2010, 08:25:24 AM
You should have seen the looks I was getting at the Fall Crawl when Brad & Kazu realized I had no winch.  I think they held back  ;D
i could tell you what they thought if you really wanted to know? they are good friends of mine

I know they wanted to ditch me in the field if they could LOL
Funny party I was one of only 3 that made it up the steep hill on Elm Street (Kazu, Supazuk & myself) ended up being a non issue  ;D
Title: Re: Stage 5...it begins.
Post by: jps4jeep on November 17, 2010, 09:40:19 AM
sweet story dude



Tim, can't wait  :saw:

technically, all the solid work sketches are just doddles  on the bent and twisted sheet metal on the MJ
Title: Re: Stage 5...it begins.
Post by: Twisty on November 17, 2010, 12:08:04 PM
Yay for rough sketches!!!


John-  bring sawzall blades.  I'm going to try to get a few tomorrow.  Chop-Chop!!
Title: Re: Stage 5...it begins.
Post by: Ian on November 17, 2010, 12:42:38 PM
Yay for rough sketches!!!


John-  bring sawzall blades.  I'm going to try to get a few tomorrow.  Chop-Chop!!

i'm going to get some consumables for the plasma cutter this afternoon  :axe:
Title: Re: Stage 5...it begins.
Post by: Twisty on November 17, 2010, 01:19:15 PM
In that case, you can finish working on the 60 coil bucket removal.   8) 8)
Title: Re: Stage 5...it begins.
Post by: jps4jeep on November 18, 2010, 11:02:06 PM
Tim's mj's got a sweet sun roof now!
Title: Re: Stage 5...it begins.
Post by: Mitch on November 19, 2010, 07:01:40 AM
PICS GDAMMIT!
Title: Re: Stage 5...it begins.
Post by: Twisty on November 19, 2010, 10:13:55 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4032.jpg)


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4035.jpg)


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4033.jpg)


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4034.jpg)



And we started on a truss.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4036.jpg)
Title: Re: Stage 5...it begins.
Post by: Twisty on November 19, 2010, 10:14:39 AM
Still a lot of cutting to do.  ::)
Title: Re: Stage 5...it begins.
Post by: jps4jeep on November 19, 2010, 10:21:04 AM
Windshield was a [censored]

where you still there when Ian got back?
Title: Re: Stage 5...it begins.
Post by: Twisty on November 19, 2010, 10:22:05 AM
Yes, I was there till 12:00ish.
Title: Re: Stage 5...it begins.
Post by: Mitch on November 19, 2010, 11:42:27 AM
lol, poor truck.
Title: Re: Stage 5...it begins.
Post by: 98xj on November 19, 2010, 12:21:58 PM
the first picture looks like mitch's old truck. haha
Title: Re: Stage 5...it begins.
Post by: Mitch on November 19, 2010, 12:30:54 PM
you mean Tony's old truck.... :D
Title: Re: Stage 5...it begins.
Post by: 98xj on November 19, 2010, 12:32:18 PM
haha yup...and then the half dozen people who have owned it since!
Title: Re: Stage 5...it begins.
Post by: Bradman on November 19, 2010, 01:52:56 PM
all that work over the past few years Tim and nw this  :D

Is there gonna be any MJ left to it?  Why even use that portion.  It's basically just a floor par and firewall .  Why not go tube all the way?
Title: Re: Stage 5...it begins.
Post by: Mitch on November 19, 2010, 02:09:28 PM
Nov 2006

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/IMG_1558.jpg)



May 2008

(https://newenglandjeepz.org/forum/gallery/4_19_05_08_6_37_06.jpg)


Early Nov 2010

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4023.jpg)


Mid Nov 2010

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4033.jpg)
Title: Re: Stage 5...it begins.
Post by: jason m on November 19, 2010, 03:25:42 PM


And we started on a truss.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4036.jpg)

Copy cat :finger:

(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s89/420willys/0611072315.jpg)

(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s89/420willys/0611072315a.jpg)

(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s89/420willys/0611072315b.jpg)

Jason.
Title: Re: Stage 5...it begins.
Post by: jps4jeep on November 19, 2010, 03:41:18 PM
Jason,
I mentioned that last night when this got started, Timmy said you went into the future and copied him  ;D

Big D.. there is still a lot more that needs to be cut off, it's kind staying the way it is till all the glass can be vacumned up (made an aweful mess)
Title: Re: Stage 5...it begins.
Post by: jason m on November 19, 2010, 03:46:38 PM
Jason,
I mentioned that last night when this got started, Timmy said you went into the future and copied him  ;D



LOL,

Its proven design and Tim dont forget to tie it all into the front pinion gaurd. I made a ring that its tied into, but you have that cool gaurd, use it.

(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s89/420willys/0623071336.jpg)

(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s89/420willys/0623071336a.jpg)

Jason.
Title: Re: Stage 5...it begins.
Post by: Twisty on November 19, 2010, 06:07:41 PM
Yeah, I think I might tie it into the pinion guard.  I just need to find some thicker material and make a bridge. 


BigD-   Yes, I'm going to cut more.  For me at this point in time it is cheaper to do it this way.  I have a starter vehicle with axles and a drivetrain already mounted.  In order to swap everything from the MJ over to a buggy I would need a lot more money and time.  I do not have a surplus of either.   :'(

I do plan to build a full on buggy someday.  But I hope to NEVER get rid of the MJ. 

I guess I need a new name for it...there isn't really any MJ left.   :( :(
Title: Re: Stage 5...it begins.
Post by: jason m on November 19, 2010, 06:12:50 PM
Yeah, I think I might tie it into the pinion guard.  I just need to find some thicker material and make a bridge. 

I used 1/4", but i think it was 588. 1/4" A36 would be fine but I also added two 1.5" bars on the side. That should be plenty, if not I got some 3/8" you can have. Just let me know the demensions if you want and I can slice you a chunk.

Jason.
Title: Re: Stage 5...it begins.
Post by: Twisty on November 19, 2010, 06:26:04 PM
Thanks for the offer.  I have some 3/8, but I need to rebuild my front truss.  If I don't have enough left over I will be in touch!!

Thanks Jason!
Title: Re: Stage 5...it begins.
Post by: jeepgod on November 21, 2010, 08:52:17 AM
nice xj twisty, cause like you said it is not really an mj anymore  ;D

lokks good

are you going to try and reinstall the bed sides? atleast it would still be "sort of" an mj
Title: Re: Stage 5...it begins.
Post by: dips on November 24, 2010, 02:52:42 PM
i like the time line of pictures.   ;D
for now its just a piece of sheet metal with a motor, but i know what you can do, and i cant wait to see it when its done!
Title: Re: Stage 5...it begins.
Post by: Ian on November 25, 2010, 11:01:56 AM
this thread has been inspiration also for this build


http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10918406&postcount=8
Title: Re: Stage 5...it begins.
Post by: mika401 on November 25, 2010, 11:22:56 AM
I'm not a suspension expert but the vertical separation at both ends of the rear suspension look awfully close.
Title: Re: Stage 5...it begins.
Post by: Twisty on November 25, 2010, 11:29:31 AM
My truss is higher than his.  I will have plenty of separation.  8)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on November 27, 2010, 10:23:34 AM
Great fab day!!  Thanks to Ian, Tony, and John for all their help!!


First the wiring was removed.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4041.jpg)


Then the truss was built and mostly finished.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4045.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4044.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4046.jpg)



Then we did some cutting, and boatside mockups.  This is where they will go, but they will be frenched into the body about 1".
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4042.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4043.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4040.jpg)



That's all for this week!!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jps4jeep on November 27, 2010, 11:04:34 AM
 :saw:  MOAR
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on November 27, 2010, 12:51:04 PM
You bet!!  Still have to finish chopping the frame.

Next week I'm going to finalize the placement of the boatsides, and get some supports tacked in. 8) 8)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Bradman on November 27, 2010, 01:03:22 PM
 :woot:
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jps4jeep on November 27, 2010, 04:59:06 PM
I still think the boat sides should be flush with the inner portion of the A-pillar and not just an inch in.
Just will look a lot cleaner and will add more structural rigidity to the other parts once they are tied in as we discussed.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: RMFJ78 on November 27, 2010, 07:19:18 PM
tim, your mj is gone.  no one will recognize it when its done.  you planning on being ready for the plunge?
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on November 27, 2010, 09:21:48 PM
I still think the boat sides should be flush with the inner portion of the A-pillar and not just an inch in.
Just will look a lot cleaner and will add more structural rigidity to the other parts once they are tied in as we discussed.

I'm going to reevaluate the width.  I don't want it to be a barge on wheels...but I don't want to rub shoulders with trees.


tim, your mj is gone.  no one will recognize it when its done.  you planning on being ready for the plunge?

No, I do not think it will be done.  A roller, possibly.  But wheelable, no. :(
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jps4jeep on November 27, 2010, 09:51:12 PM
thats why you put in door bars, if your door bars got out 3/4" to compensate for that difference, it's not really a huge amount.  we'll toss a seat in next week and feel it out.. or two weeks when ever.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Mitch on November 28, 2010, 02:44:35 PM
Frenched into the body - lol
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jerry k on November 28, 2010, 05:18:51 PM
Timanche...   ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Ian on November 28, 2010, 05:35:20 PM
Timanche...   ;D

iFaboulous
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Ian on November 28, 2010, 06:02:06 PM
Timanche...   ;D





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOnqjkJTMaA

go straight to 7:00....
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jps4jeep on November 28, 2010, 08:32:08 PM
this just got gay-rotic.. stop it
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on November 28, 2010, 08:47:17 PM
Someone buy my steering ram!!!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Bradman on November 28, 2010, 09:21:03 PM
You could sell all that steel off the mj and tj you guys cut off for some spare cash ;)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: HEYzipupyourfly on November 29, 2010, 04:11:11 AM
timI really wish you hadn't done this........I am positive if given the chance i would have bought that thing off you the way it sat. you would have had $$ to build a buggy and you would have been able to see it wheel in still drive it whenever you wanted. it just saddens me to see it in this state. no matter how you build it it will still be hard to beat what you had. just my input ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: rich on November 29, 2010, 04:57:56 AM
It's  his rig he can build it any way he wants....
But I really like the beat up look that jeep had. I think I would have tried to make a cage inside the cab to make it safe. I am sure what ever tim comes up with will be spiffy
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Bradman on November 29, 2010, 07:42:57 AM
I am glad to see Tim spend hard earned money in his youth on his toys and hobbies because it all gets taken from you when you tie the knot.  If not taken.....stripped to the bare essensials as other bills and expenses take hold of your life.  Keep us busy this winter with lots of pics and progress Tim.  A lot of us live our dreams through your builds :cheers:
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: mika401 on November 29, 2010, 08:12:28 AM
Someone buy my steering ram!!!/quote]
Uhh I got $20 in my wallet  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on November 29, 2010, 02:10:35 PM
Uhh I got $20 in my wallet  ;D ;D ;D

Richer than me!! ;D

I'm looking into going with a double ended ram now.  I'm going to rebuild the front truss, and had always planned to eventually go with a double ended ram.  I have one picked out...I just need to sell my current steering parts to get the money for the ram.  

I'm also going to put my doubler in now.  4:1 with twin sticks...here I come!!



And don't believe that I am not sad about the current state of the Jeep.  I loved it the way it was, and quite frankly I would not have sold it for a reasonable asking price.  Call me a softy, but I love it too much. ::)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Bluerocket on November 29, 2010, 02:49:43 PM
ROCK THIS BUILD!  I bet its done before my cj :)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on November 29, 2010, 03:17:12 PM
ROCK THIS BUILD!  I bet its done before my cj :)


Why???  What are you doing to that POS now?!? ;D ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Bluerocket on November 29, 2010, 04:14:20 PM
Only to make it idle right, but im lazy.  Started on the belly skids this weekend, and they are coming nicely.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on November 29, 2010, 04:18:49 PM
Get it fixed and take it to Mabell in a couple of weeks.  8)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Bluerocket on November 29, 2010, 04:20:34 PM
I'd like to, gotta fix my front DS which seems to have blown a u-joint cap and the idle.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on November 30, 2010, 08:15:51 PM
I have one of these on the way.   8) 8)
https://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?item=9-6688&catname=hydraulic

Can't wait to get it in and play with a double ended ram.


To get it I sold my ram, hoses, and reservoir.  I have spoken with a fellow member, and he's going to build me a custom reservoir to fit my application better.  I will also be going with the PSC rebuildable hose ends.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: HEYzipupyourfly on December 01, 2010, 04:00:10 AM
Hey Tim, I spent the last hour on MS Paint drawing this for you. I guess Its a starting point for a safe cage and should give you something to do with your 8 miles of tube you have on Ians floor :)

dont worry i was getting payed to do it so you dont owe me anything wooot
Its tough to make one end from another so i used diff colors.
the one spot that looks wierd is the light blue and the brown line that is the cross bar behind the seats and the seatbelt mounting bar. i think the rest is easier to follow another thing i didn't do is make bends i have hard corners because its easier than makeing every joint bent but you get the general idea of where you could place tube.

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i238/HeyzipupyourflyYJ/WORTHLESS%20JIB/TIMSCAGE.jpg)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: burtonjeeplj on December 01, 2010, 10:19:11 AM
I have one of these on the way.   8) 8)
https://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?item=9-6688&catname=hydraulic

Can't wait to get it in and play with a double ended ram.


To get it I sold my ram, hoses, and reservoir.  I have spoken with a fellow member, and he's going to build me a custom reservoir to fit my application better.  I will also be going with the PSC rebuildable hose ends.

You sold it?  thats too bad...... ::)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on December 01, 2010, 04:19:07 PM
Yeah, I think the guy who bought it is in WAY over his head.   ::)


 ;D ;D ;D



Tony-  That's not quite what I had in mind, but its darn funny!!  I think I might use that front fender idea...its kind of neat.  8)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: burtonjeeplj on December 01, 2010, 04:26:40 PM
Yeah, I think the guy who bought it is in WAY over his head.   ::)


 ;D ;D ;D



:'(
True....but its more fun that way ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: HEYzipupyourfly on December 02, 2010, 04:42:58 AM
Tony-  That's not quite what I had in mind, but its darn funny!!  I think I might use that front fender idea...its kind of neat.  8)
funny like a clown or funny like haha?
What exactly did you have in mind Tim? Thats the impression I got the other day when we were talking. now I'm really confused as to which way you are going with this build :/
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jps4jeep on December 02, 2010, 08:24:01 AM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i238/HeyzipupyourflyYJ/WORTHLESS%20JIB/TIMSCAGE.jpg)

Looks like a unicorn Poohed a rainbow on Tims truck
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on December 02, 2010, 11:35:28 PM
Tony-  I'm more after a buggy look.  I'm not going to have any rear frame...just toooooob!



I got a little done tonight. 

I started making a front truss.  It is really hard to get the shape of the diff....I have a few gaps to fill with some weld.  I will be getting a pound of nickel rod to weld to the housing.  I have the backside cut out too, but I didn't take a pic.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4051.jpg)


Then I got the boatsides squared up.  The width of the boatsides is 62.125.  The entire thing is pretty darn square....so close that I'm not going to mess with it anymore.  Please disregard the mess.  ::)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4049.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4050.jpg)


Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Mitch on December 03, 2010, 06:16:02 AM
awesome! I love when I click this and there's progress and pictures and not something gay! :D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jps4jeep on December 03, 2010, 09:30:52 AM
Wish I could come over and help..

Oh I need mt notcher back for a little.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jps4jeep on December 03, 2010, 09:32:09 AM
Quote
It is really hard to get the shape of the diff

Thats why I use so much cardboard  ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: HEYzipupyourfly on December 04, 2010, 06:12:19 PM
Quote
It is really hard to get the shape of the diff

Thats why I use so much cardboard  ;D
I preffer posterboard and masking tape, you can just cut styraight peieces and tape them to gether
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on December 04, 2010, 06:34:00 PM
I used a lot of cardboard. 

I will try the poster board next time.  I like the idea of cutting, and taping to get a better fit!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jason m on December 04, 2010, 09:39:02 PM
I used a lot of cardboard. 

I will try the poster board next time.  I like the idea of cutting, and taping to get a better fit!

Use the cover next time, trace that. Its real close to the contour of the housing.

Jason.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on December 04, 2010, 11:10:31 PM
That's what I actually ended up doing.   :)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on December 07, 2010, 02:58:17 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Mobile%20Uploads/1207001455.jpg)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: dips on December 07, 2010, 05:56:13 PM
very nice   ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Krome on December 07, 2010, 07:44:02 PM
You'll have time to work on this soon twisty. You're a December Graduate correct?

I'll have to stop by and check it out
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on December 07, 2010, 09:26:35 PM
You'll have time to work on this soon twisty. You're a December Graduate correct?

I'll have to stop by and check it out


Yeah, 2 more days left!!

I'd love to have you come check it out.  Maybe once exams are over, and I can resume working on it more frequently.  I will be in touch!! 8)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Krome on December 07, 2010, 10:27:39 PM
Dude thats more exciting than this build! CONGRADULATIONS!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Casey L on December 08, 2010, 12:29:18 PM
Congrats Tim!  :woot:
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: 05rckymtn on December 08, 2010, 12:50:56 PM
wow 2 days left...congrats on that buddy.

Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jps4jeep on December 08, 2010, 12:55:22 PM
I'll be the voice of sanity here... congrats on finishing but... I would go back if I were you, Your probably chomping at the bit to get a full time job and make some money, fund your projects etc..


the real world sucks, stay in college, there are a couple things that make college the best time in your life

1. College Girls
2.
3.
4.
5.


OK so I only had 1..

Congrats Bud, now get a job you lazy bum  ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on December 09, 2010, 05:54:59 PM
Well I just ordered a doubler kit.   ::)


Once that is in, I can begin on the rear suspension.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Axle on December 09, 2010, 06:15:12 PM
your a mad man
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: HEYzipupyourfly on December 09, 2010, 07:47:51 PM
I used a lot of cardboard. 

I will try the poster board next time.  I like the idea of cutting, and taping to get a better fit!

Its real easy that way for sure, you can use little chunks and just straight runs. you dont HAVE to make your template out of one big piece of board, thats the key
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Ian on December 10, 2010, 01:59:12 AM
tim did you run out of shielding gas?
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jps4jeep on December 10, 2010, 07:52:26 AM
your back? can I finially come over and use my notcher  ???
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on December 10, 2010, 08:01:08 AM
tim did you run out of shielding gas?

Yes.  It lasted about a minute.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Ian on December 10, 2010, 08:13:18 AM
your back? can I finially come over and use my notcher  ???

yes and sure
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on December 12, 2010, 07:00:13 PM
I had a little free time today, so I stripped the 203 down to bare bones.  The stupid thing still weighs probably 60-70 lbs. 

Next step is to install my "new" transmission, and figure out the clocking of the 203.  I was originally going to run it upside down, but now I think I'm going to run it as one would run a passenger drop transfer case. 
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on December 14, 2010, 10:58:52 AM
I took a few pics of the 'new' transfercases.  I put a 231 shell in there to get a comparison for size.  Even though it doesn't look it, the 205 is a lot bigger.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4052.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4053.jpg)


I'm waiting for the pressure washer hose to thaw so I can wash these cases and get them painted.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Bradman on December 14, 2010, 11:09:07 AM
might be a while.....temps supposed to hit about 25 degrees only the next few days  ::)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on December 14, 2010, 11:23:38 AM
It would take a while if the washer wasn't sitting inside warming up.  ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jps4jeep on December 14, 2010, 12:36:06 PM
are you keeping stock low gearing for now?
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on December 14, 2010, 12:42:07 PM
Yeah I am.  No one makes a 3:1 kit for either the 203 or the Ford 205. 

These two cases are 2:1 each, for a total of 4:1.  My crawl ratio will be ~90:1 when its done.



If a 3:1 kit for the 203 existed, I'd probably get it. 
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jason m on December 14, 2010, 07:23:07 PM
Get the Low-Max for the Chevy 205 and flip the case over.

Jason.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on December 14, 2010, 09:20:04 PM
They don't make GM lo-max anympre either.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jason m on December 14, 2010, 10:46:28 PM
They don't make GM lo-max anympre either.

Really, well thats not cool.

What about a 241/205. That would give you close to a 5.5-1 crawl.

Jason.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jeepgod on December 15, 2010, 07:45:29 AM
i seriously doubt you wil need any more gearing than 4.1 with 5.38 axle gears when running an automatic. just not needed in new england type 4 wheeling
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on December 17, 2010, 02:00:07 AM
Got the 23 spline AW4 in, and cut the floor to test 203 fitment.  Its going to be WAY up there.  Higher than the 231.  ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: HEYzipupyourfly on December 17, 2010, 02:01:34 AM
late night eh?
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on December 17, 2010, 02:07:37 AM
Yeah, I got home about 10 mins ago.  Going to bed soon.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jps4jeep on December 17, 2010, 08:07:21 AM
you must be cold..  I thought it would have been warmer in there but I learned my lesson though.

Glad you got it done! see you next thursday
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on December 17, 2010, 09:11:49 AM
Thanks for coming, and thanks for the beer, John!! :)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Ian on December 17, 2010, 11:45:48 AM
i'm still cold from last night!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Axle on December 17, 2010, 01:48:34 PM
wish I lived closer, I feel left out.  :( :D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Ian on December 17, 2010, 02:53:18 PM
wish I lived closer, I feel left out.  :( :D

if you spent the evening in your freezer, you would have felt like you were standing right there with us!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jps4jeep on December 17, 2010, 06:37:20 PM
iFAB needs this

(http://www.treehugger.com/amish-heater.jpg)

the fireplace and the fake amish workforce
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: j-dawg on December 17, 2010, 08:54:26 PM
they could certainly build timmy a sweet wooden bumper and skidplate!!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on December 17, 2010, 09:17:34 PM
 :woot: :woot:
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on December 27, 2010, 05:10:27 PM
Solid knuckles/steering arms ordered.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: dips on December 27, 2010, 05:16:54 PM
iFAB needs this

(http://www.treehugger.com/amish-heater.jpg)

the fireplace and the fake amish workforce

haha.... i sell those at work
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: navman 5.0 on December 27, 2010, 07:59:16 PM
Solid knuckles/steering arms ordered.

Bling for the front, or are you going Miguel on us?  ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on December 27, 2010, 08:05:09 PM
Not quite.  ;D   Just trying to do everything the "right" way so I don't have to go back and re-do it later.  

Solid knuckles are substantially cheaper than the Dedenbear units, and have the key-way for the steering arms.  
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jon on December 28, 2010, 08:45:32 AM
buy a winch yet?

the 4:1 with the aw4 and 5.38 will be perfect for around here, any more than that and it will drive through the brakes. (still may)  I run 50:1 with 37's.  you will be at 60:1 with bigger tires.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jps4jeep on December 28, 2010, 09:02:42 PM
Not quite.  ;D   Just trying to do everything the "right" way so I don't have to go back and re-do it later.  

Solid knuckles are substantially cheaper than the Dedenbear units, and have the key-way for the steering arms.  

but the hi-steer arms cost twice as much, they get you one way or another...

I prefer the solid knuckles as well.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on December 28, 2010, 09:26:40 PM
Actually...the arms do not cost twice as much.  I paid $295 shipped.  $300 is the average for a good set of arms.  A pair of 8" Ballistic arms is $315!!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Ian on December 28, 2010, 09:35:24 PM
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f161/ioman2/IMAG0015.jpg)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Ian on December 28, 2010, 09:37:26 PM
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f161/ioman2/IMAG0016.jpg)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Ian on December 28, 2010, 09:40:43 PM
That was 10th hours in the cold shop today. I absolutely love stick welding
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on December 28, 2010, 09:46:13 PM
Artec arms are almost $400 with the 6 bolts, and milled for the key-way!!

http://www.artecindustries.com/Ultimate-Dana-60-High-Steer-Arms--Pair_p_154.html

Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on December 28, 2010, 10:13:00 PM
Front truss done.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4056.jpg)

Rear truss....different angle than Ian's pic.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4054.jpg)

Rear of rear truss showing the tie-in to the housing.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4055.jpg)


The rear truss is tied in 2 places.  The pinion guard, and welded to the housing with Ni55.  The front truss is very strong, and welded with 19 sticks of Ni55, and peened during cooling.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Posimoto on December 29, 2010, 10:07:20 AM
Looks great!

What primer did you use? I'm asking because it looks like RM primer.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on December 29, 2010, 10:09:56 AM
It is rusty metal primer from Rustoleum.  I ran out of the clean metal stuff...and it is all I had.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Posimoto on December 29, 2010, 10:14:47 AM
Just a note if it matters, the RM has fish oil in it and doesn't stick well to clean metal.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on December 29, 2010, 10:25:26 AM
I did nor know that.  Thanks for the information, Chuck!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: dips on December 29, 2010, 03:00:14 PM
looks good Tim
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on December 30, 2010, 01:46:52 PM
Boat sides 90% welded in.  A pillars are bent. I need to get the doubler in so I can get the seats in.  Then the rest of the cage will come along rather quickly. 


I took a few pics.  I will post them a little later
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: mika401 on December 30, 2010, 02:30:04 PM
I like how the pinion guard ties into the truss.  Was that a custom made piece or something from Ruff Stuff, Ballistic...?
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jps4jeep on December 30, 2010, 03:47:25 PM
100% pure custom
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on December 30, 2010, 04:50:23 PM
Pinion guard is RuffStuff.  The truss is pure iFab and affiliates.   ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jerry k on December 30, 2010, 04:56:59 PM
looking spiffy gent's , keep up the good work.
-jerry
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on December 30, 2010, 08:31:27 PM
For starters, we have the boatsides.  1 support is not yet welded, and 1 support still needs to be added.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4058.jpg)

Start of A pillar.  We made it too long because I do not yet know where my seats are going to go, and we didn't want it to be to low. 
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4059.jpg)




And my doubler came!!!

203/205 adapter.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4063.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4064.jpg)

Re-splined 203 main shaft.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4060.jpg)

PTO cover.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4062.jpg)

205 re-seal.  I also bought a $65 re-seal kit from NWF...but I'm only going to need about 3 things from it.  HUGE waste of money.   ::)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4061.jpg)

And I have 4 of these babies to press into some DOM to use as crossmember mount bushings.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4065.jpg)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: mika401 on December 30, 2010, 09:53:04 PM
Nice to see that adapter has some ajustability
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on December 30, 2010, 10:22:31 PM
It is actually more adjustable than you know.  The two pieces are unwelded, allowing me to get the 203 where I want it, and then clock the 205, and weld the plates together.  It is the best way to get a custom orientation, IMHO.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Posimoto on December 31, 2010, 07:46:18 AM
Who resplined the main shaft?

Good progress!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on December 31, 2010, 09:35:10 AM
I got the doubler from this guy.

http://www.jedsmachining.com/index.html

The doubler adapter, 205 re-seal kit, and re-splined main shaft was $530 shipped.  I feel that it was a great deal.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Ian on January 01, 2011, 02:07:53 PM
LIVE UPDATE
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f161/ioman2/IMAG0025.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f161/ioman2/IMAG0026.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f161/ioman2/IMAG0027.jpg)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Ian on January 01, 2011, 03:18:40 PM
http://static.photobucket.com/player.swf?file=http://vid47.photobucket.com/albums/f161/ioman2/VIDEO0001.mp4
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: XJFever on January 01, 2011, 03:27:33 PM
I am seriously jealous of that work space, just saying.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Ian on January 01, 2011, 06:18:18 PM
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f161/ioman2/IMAG0029.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f161/ioman2/IMAG0032.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f161/ioman2/IMAG0034.jpg)


To build a doubler.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Ian on January 01, 2011, 09:11:36 PM
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f161/ioman2/IMAG0038.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f161/ioman2/IMAG0036.jpg)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Bradman on January 01, 2011, 11:17:18 PM
 8)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Ian on January 02, 2011, 12:48:35 AM
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f161/ioman2/IMAG0040.jpg)

(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f161/ioman2/IMAG0039.jpg)

TIM can add captions to all of these pictures.all but this post today were while in the shop.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: mika401 on January 02, 2011, 09:12:40 AM
Man that is going to be one big heavy bastard, no need for water in the tires!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jps4jeep on January 02, 2011, 09:21:34 AM
one of the problems is packaging everything in the cab.  Tim spent some time shaving the 203 and the seat still is hard to fit comfortably in the drivers compartment.

my estimates is that it will weigh about the same than it did just before it was cut up based soley on the amount of material removed and what is being added.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: 98xj on January 02, 2011, 04:00:02 PM
Looking good Tim! I like all the live updates from Ian!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on January 02, 2011, 04:27:38 PM
Stay tuned for more live updates tomorrow.   ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Mitch on January 04, 2011, 07:57:43 AM
IM TUNED IN!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on January 04, 2011, 08:48:39 AM
Lol....Ian was lazy yesterday. ;D


I took some pics at the end.  We got a lot of work done!  A pillars are in, both B pillars, and 4 spreader bars are in.  Its really taking shape!!!


I will get some pics up a little later. :)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on January 04, 2011, 11:04:22 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4068.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4069.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4067.jpg)




(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4071.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4070.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4073.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4072.jpg)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Ian on January 04, 2011, 11:21:13 AM
The guy in the last picture looks cold   :fire:
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jps4jeep on January 04, 2011, 03:31:06 PM
Thursday?
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on January 07, 2011, 03:23:05 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4075.jpg)


These were the last 2 Ford knuckles in stock.  The rest are a month out.  I will just paint the other one to match.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Mitch on January 07, 2011, 03:31:17 PM
pretty!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: 05rckymtn on January 07, 2011, 04:47:14 PM
those things just look expensive....build looks great
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: mika401 on January 07, 2011, 10:00:59 PM
no king pin pre load adjusters
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on January 07, 2011, 10:52:24 PM
They retain the use of the springs.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: navman 5.0 on January 07, 2011, 11:57:54 PM
We need a bling smiley
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Mitch on January 08, 2011, 10:20:30 PM
 :bling:
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on January 08, 2011, 10:36:12 PM
:bling:

I love i!!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on January 10, 2011, 12:11:59 PM
In order to do this.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4083.jpg)

I had to do this.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4081.jpg)

Which resulted in this.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4082.jpg)


That will be the 205 support.  It will tie into the rear suspension crossmember.  It is not done yet...still need to clean the edges.  The 205 is also back together.  I also have the 203 crossmember mostly done...just need to level it, and final weld all the little tabs.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Ian on January 11, 2011, 01:14:13 AM
Did you finish the doubler?
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on January 11, 2011, 09:19:36 AM
Not yet.  Still working on the 203 crossmember, and the 205 support.  I hope to have it sitting without the aid of any jacks or jack stands by the end of the day.   8)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jason m on January 11, 2011, 01:47:03 PM
Looking good tim.

For future referennce the ALU cover that holds the front output shaft bearing is the same pattern as the rear tail cone. So to transfer the hole's ( I know its all ready done ) you could use the ALU cover plate.

You didn't want to use the stock Ford mount on the side of the case? Using that doe's two things help supports the case and keeps the tourqe from twisting it. I know thats the other reasion for the HD mount your working on, just tossing out a few more idea's.

Jason.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on January 11, 2011, 09:24:11 PM
Thanks Jason!

The way I have it clocked, it would have been impossible to mount the seat.  I'll be practically sitting on the case when it is all said and done.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jason m on January 11, 2011, 10:13:11 PM
Thanks Jason!

The way I have it clocked, it would have been impossible to mount the seat.  I'll be practically sitting on the case when it is all said and done.

I hope you have at least 6-8"s of clearance? If its to close a hard smak on a rock or bottom out and you could hurt your back, bad.
This was one resion I sold my old chassie, the 205 was going to punch the passenger in butt. The new owner has the same drivetrain as what the buggy is set up for, a smaller T-case.

Jaason.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jps4jeep on January 12, 2011, 08:08:42 AM
at best, the clearence between the case and seat is about 2".

Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on January 25, 2011, 11:54:36 PM
-Front LCAs extended 6". 
-New front UCA made with 1.5x.250 DOM and 7/8x3/4 heims.
-205 support finalized.
-Rear crossmember welded to larger plate, which is welded to the frame.
-2 supporting tubes welded to the rear crossmember, and tie into frame.
-D60 stripped, and under Jeep for mockup.

New wheelbase will be 114-115. 


Pics tomorrow.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Mitch on January 26, 2011, 12:02:31 AM
WANT! TOMORROW!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Ian on January 26, 2011, 01:19:40 AM
Another chilly fab day. 
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on January 26, 2011, 10:32:24 AM
First we made these racks to get the DOM off of the floor.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4092.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4091.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4093.jpg)



Front control arms.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4094.jpg)


My little table 'o parts.

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Front axle under Jeep.

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Rear crossmember fab.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4095.jpg)

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Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: j-dawg on January 26, 2011, 10:45:28 AM
looks good tim! glad to see your making progress!!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: dips on January 26, 2011, 03:00:03 PM
looking good Tim!!
It must be cold as  [censored] out there!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on January 26, 2011, 03:04:04 PM
Yeah, Ian was frozen, so he welded while I ran around and did little things.  ;D

Thanks guys. :)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: makizoo on January 26, 2011, 03:10:14 PM
poor little things :(
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jps4jeep on January 26, 2011, 08:58:33 PM
question, just lengthening the links, any risk of drastically altering the suspensions geometry or perhaps causing contact issues?

IIRC, you had an issue with possible contact with the upper link and the sub frame, in my mind, if you lengthen the link, you could increase the risk of that contact occuring, or does it change the angle in the opposite direction? (away from hte sub frame)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on January 26, 2011, 10:51:06 PM
Good questions!  IMHO, longer links are better for suspension geometry.  With the airshocks, I will be lower, which will make the links flatter at ride height.  The longer links also mean that the axle won't swing as much when traveling.  The longer links allow me to have more up-travel without hitting the frame.  I am concerned about this issue though (with the lower links, not upper).  I have more travel than before, but it might not be enough.  I might need to clearance the frame some more to get the axle as high as possible.  :)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Bradman on January 27, 2011, 01:00:36 PM
lookin good Timbobmeboy.  ;)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Ian on January 30, 2011, 11:07:19 PM
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f161/ioman2/IMAG0079.jpg)
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Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Axle on January 31, 2011, 09:41:35 AM
wow, looks great!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Ian on January 31, 2011, 09:45:06 AM
wow, looks great!

those last 4 pics look like its a tiny model. 
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on January 31, 2011, 10:14:07 AM
Teenie weenie. ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jerry k on January 31, 2011, 11:19:49 AM
you boys must have worked late..looks good ! my toes had thawed out about the time i reached the braintree split  :fire:
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on January 31, 2011, 11:34:47 AM
I got home at 11:30.

Thanks for coming up.  It was fun to hang out with you yesterday. 8)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jerry k on January 31, 2011, 07:45:40 PM
thanks tim, i had fun...i needed to get up there, it had been a while..
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Ian on February 01, 2011, 08:54:17 AM

Thanks for coming up.  It was fun to hang out with you yesterday. 8) watch you work on ian's rig 

8)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on February 06, 2011, 12:15:52 AM
Here's where we are after tonight.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4106.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4107.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4108.jpg)

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I don't really like how the rear tubework looks now.  I'm hoping that it will come together when I tie the roof bars into the back.  The 4 link is all squared up, and the axle is perfectly centered. 
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: dips on February 06, 2011, 08:21:46 AM
Tim its starting to come together for you. and i think once the roof bars are tied in it will give it a totally different look then it does now. I like it!!!!!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: j-dawg on February 06, 2011, 10:30:49 AM
looks a lot shorter than i thought you were gonna make it,
but i like it ! gonna be badass!! 8)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: XJFever on February 06, 2011, 10:40:17 AM
I love the steering wheel, adds so much character to the build.  ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: mika401 on February 06, 2011, 12:09:08 PM
Are you going to make a mount for the spare?
how about fluids containers?
Looking good so far.
How about the fuel cell.
Looks like you wont have too much of an issue if you add steering down the line
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on February 06, 2011, 05:20:52 PM
Are you going to make a mount for the spare?
how about fluids containers?
Looking good so far.
How about the fuel cell.
Looks like you wont have too much of an issue if you add steering down the line

I don't have a spare yet, and honestly....I think I'll just keep it in the truck.  Lugging a 42" around is pretty difficult, and heavy!

I have not thought about fluid containers.  I'll probably get one of those caddies that holds 1 quart jugs.

I want a small 10 gallon fuel cell with an external pump and Walbro fuel pickups. 

And yes, I have room for the steering down the line.  :)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jps4jeep on February 06, 2011, 05:34:21 PM
Looks cookie cutter mj chop job  :john:
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: HEYzipupyourfly on February 07, 2011, 03:03:29 PM
Tim I was over yesterday and Its looking good, how you guys get anything done there without heat is beyond me. I HAVE heat and havent found the ambition to work on mine haha
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on February 07, 2011, 03:07:57 PM
You're just lazy I guess. :finger:

Thanks for the kind words.  You going to stop by tomorrow? :)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: HEYzipupyourfly on February 07, 2011, 03:31:41 PM
maybe, if I dont work i might stop by
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jps4jeep on February 08, 2011, 08:41:04 AM
I might swing by tonight
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on February 08, 2011, 09:29:47 AM
ok
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on February 09, 2011, 12:22:58 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4113.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4112.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4111.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4110.jpg)


The tubework in the rear needs a little tweaking before I can mount both shocks in the same spot.  It is coming together!  And I like how the rear looks now!!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: HEYzipupyourfly on February 09, 2011, 05:31:53 AM
me too,
sorry i didn't get by today, I got my new notcher in the mail and had to get that mounted and setup so i can use it.
I'm hoping to finally be bending tube again this weekend. if you guys are around fri or sunday you should stop up I'll throw some venison steaks in the skillet (a nice little perk of having woodfired heat in your garage) ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jps4jeep on February 09, 2011, 08:18:51 AM
Tony, if you need "help" hooking up a trailer or something friday night, let me know.. ;)

Sorry I didn't get over there last night, hope you got word from my text, Wife Button Hooked me... I got home from work and she literally walked right out and goes Bye, see you later... I was like WTF..
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Ian on February 09, 2011, 08:20:05 AM
Tony, if you need "help" hooking up a trailer or something friday night, let me know.. ;)

Sorry I didn't get over there last night, hope you got word from my text, Wife Button Hooked me... I got home from work and she literally walked right out and goes Bye, see you later... I was like WTF..

i spent half the night putting my diff cover and lube locker on.  tim fabbed like a mad man while i stood infront of the heater.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Posimoto on February 09, 2011, 08:46:09 AM
Tim, if you don�t mind me asking what is the estimated DIY cost of going from rear leaf to link? Do you have any special plans for the rig when complete?

Your build looks impressive!

Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Bradman on February 09, 2011, 08:53:43 AM
Wow Timbo.    Chugga chugga choo choo.  That MJ is looking super spiffy these days.  Nice work!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Ian on February 09, 2011, 09:05:03 AM
posi, if you ordered ballistic joints and ruffstuff hiems and the required adapters, you would be at $400 without shipping for the joints alone.  then you need link material and brackets.   you would need a half stick of 2" and a half stick of 1.75 or 1.5" for uppers. ($4-6/ft maybe)  tim doesn't really any money into his cross member.  $30ish into the "batwing" lower control arm bracket at the crossmember from ballistic and $6 in tube flanges.  his lower arm axle bracket is $32ish from ballistic and the rest is cheap-o tabs from misc people.  you could make them but its easier to buy it.  he made his truss out of 1.75" that was on hand.  but he did buy new airshocks so there goes his cheap image....

but the dead sexiness of his double trianglated rear is pricless.  :-*
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: burtonjeeplj on February 09, 2011, 10:16:08 AM
i am blown away...you guys are rocking this build... 8)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on February 09, 2011, 11:10:04 AM
Thanks guys!  I'm having a blast building this thing.  ;D


Chuck, 4 links aren't as cheap as leaf springs. 

To piggyback on what Ian said......

The large cost of the 4 link is in the suspension joints.  Ballistic joints go for $52, the tube adapters from RuffStuff are $10, and the jam nuts from RuffStuff are $2.50.  That's $64.50 before shipping. Lets say $70 shipped.  I used 4.  That comes out to $280.  The uppers use 7/8 shank x 3/4 bore heim joints.  These generally go for about $18.  The heim joints also need high misalignment spacers to give the joint more flex, and to step the bolt down to 9/16 or 5/8 (I use 5/8 on the uppers).  These are about $4 each for steel, and $7 each for stainless.  You need 2 per joint, or 8 total.  Like the ballistic joints, the heims need tube adapters and jam nuts.  $10 for tube adapters, and $2 for jam nuts.  For all the hardware (joint included), I'm at $52 before shipping.  Lets say $60 shipped.  I'm at $240 for the upper joints.  The link material is ~$4/foot for the uppers and ~$10/foot for the lowers.  I used 4 feet of each.  $112 for links.

Just to get the links together, my cost is $632.  There are ways to get the cost down, but it comes at a cost (no pun intended).  You still have to factor in the cost of link mounts and shocks/springs.  My airshocks were $540 shipped to my door. 

I hope that gives you an idea of putting together a link suspension.  It sounds expensive, and it is, but it gives way better performance than any leaf spring setup.


And my plans for my rig?  I just want to have fun.  I actually enjoy building more than wheeling (sometimes :D).  There were a lot of problems with my old setup that I did not like at all.  Now is my chance to change those.  When this is done, I am going to enjoy it for a while, then begin a new project.  I hope to never sell this rig.  It has too much sentimental value to me.  ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Posimoto on February 09, 2011, 12:17:22 PM
Thanks for the info it was very helpful. The reason I ask is because I plan down the road to stretch my 5 (my most recent 5 purchase) by either cutting the frame midsection and using leafs or go link, but that�s another story for anther time. Again, thanks.


Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jps4jeep on February 09, 2011, 01:30:21 PM
I will echo that, I actually like building just as much, if not more than wheeling.


But I still like wheeling.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Ian on February 09, 2011, 03:19:51 PM
I will echo that, I actually like building just as much, if not more than wheeling.


But I still like wheeling.

i like to wheel more.  i only work on my jeep when there is someone else to talk to  ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on February 10, 2011, 10:55:00 PM
Well today sucked.  I spent WAY too long on this driver's side shock hoop.  It still sucks, but I am done with it.  The Jeep is now officially a roller in the back.  And the cage is mostly welded now. 

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4115.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4116.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4117.jpg)

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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4119.jpg)


Neither the shocks, or the suspension binds when flexing.  The shocks do not max out their misalignment (which I was worried about).  I think next time I'm going to completely weld the rear suspension. 
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: HEYzipupyourfly on February 11, 2011, 02:06:51 AM
you working during the day tommorow tim? if so give me a call when your heading over maybe i'll stop by. there is a lot of load put into the end of those shocks, you prob would have been better just going up and extra inch directly onto the horizontal bar and then rotating that "shock hoop" bar up and connecting the lower and mid bars together right near the shock. would be stronger.
the closer it is to the union of the for/aft bar that goes to the top of the B pillar. I see that shock hoop doing a lot of twisting the way it is bent.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on February 11, 2011, 08:51:35 AM
if I went higher, the shock would be extended too far at ride height. I am going to brace it to the top hoop anyways. 

No I'm not working on it tomorrow....er, today.  If you take a look at it on Saturday, please be aware that there are some really terrible welds.  I do intend to clean those up and re-do them.  They're not permanent!!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on February 17, 2011, 10:27:31 PM
Working on the front portion of the MJ.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4121.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4122.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4123.jpg)


Nothing is welded because I do not know if it is exactly the path I want to follow.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: dips on February 18, 2011, 05:10:29 PM
if that is the path it looks good from the picture
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on February 18, 2011, 06:19:30 PM
Thanks Steve.  I actually like the lines right now.  The main issue that I see with it this way is that it is about 2" above the cowl.  This means that the stock hood will not work.  If I lower it to where I originally wanted it, I think that it looks stupid because it does not follow the lines of the cage.  Also in this arrangement, visibility is down a little.

Any other input?
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: DirtyTj on February 19, 2011, 12:54:52 AM
Build a flat hood with a scoop for the supercharged v8 this beast needs!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: 97ProjecTJ on February 19, 2011, 01:56:06 AM
Keep those lines and get some kind of fiberglass hood!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jeepgod on February 19, 2011, 07:18:34 AM
if it makes visibilty poor-er then change the design

you didn't build this thing to make it wirse did you?
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: dips on February 19, 2011, 08:21:51 AM
i would make the bars look good while also keeping them out of your sight line, the body work is easy to fix, cut the hood or make a new one. but like todd said, make it better not worse. but its hard to say what to do just from looking at a picture. Do what you think is best for you!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jps4jeep on February 20, 2011, 10:05:07 AM
Visability is a lot better than when it was full bodied. Tims concerns are asthetics about re-using the stock hood. My suggestion the other night was to build it strong and  ;D ;Dfunctional. Any junkyard hood could be made to fit... I suggested a lexus hood
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jon on February 21, 2011, 12:56:41 PM
Don't you fancy yourself an engineer?  FORM FOLLOWS FUNCTION.

Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: HEYzipupyourfly on February 21, 2011, 03:52:35 PM
i have to agree, It can't look like a pile of shyt. I think it looks good now, but don't take that function before form thing too close to heart because there is nothing worse than an ugly buggy......except an ugly buggy that doesn't work.....but i dont care if a buggy crawls all over the trail all day long, if it looks like something that was built by a summer camp,  :barf:
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jeepgod on February 21, 2011, 04:43:31 PM
i have to agree, It can't look like a pile of shyt. I think it looks good now, but don't take that function before form thing too close to heart because there is nothing worse than an ugly buggy......except an ugly buggy that doesn't work.....but i dont care if a buggy crawls all over the trail all day long, if it looks like something that was built by a summer camp,  :barf:

i totally agree but only when people try to build hotrods in to rock buggys, just plain fawwking ugly
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Krome on February 21, 2011, 05:08:22 PM
function wagon no2!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Bluerocket on February 21, 2011, 05:10:23 PM
I think it looks great tim, finish weld and put some tires on it :)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on February 21, 2011, 06:21:16 PM
Don't you fancy yourself an engineer?  FORM FOLLOWS FUNCTION.



I've been pondering this all day, and am not sure how to take it.  Is it an insult, or a criticism of my current lines?  Is there a problem that I should fix before I proceed?
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jeepgod on February 21, 2011, 06:26:37 PM
Don't you fancy yourself an engineer?  FORM FOLLOWS FUNCTION.



I've been pondering this all day, and am not sure how to take it.  Is it an insult, or a criticism of my current lines?  Is there a problem that I should fix before I proceed?

i think jon was saying that to john not you twisty? i could be wrong just how i read it
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jps4jeep on February 21, 2011, 07:09:08 PM
Well, I guess if that was pointed to me,  it is some type of criticism, but not sure of what.  Considering both posts contain the same idea of the importance of strength and function.

No I do not fancy myself an engineer, don't believe I ever insinuated that I was, merely a weekend garage fabricator... hobbyist at best. I appreciate the concern.

I'm sure how ever it turns out Tim, it will be adequate both structurally and asthetically
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on February 21, 2011, 07:37:04 PM
I'm not sure??

I'm just going to continue what what I have.  Its not perfect, but its not going to fold like a taco.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Mitch on February 22, 2011, 08:37:12 AM
maybe he was saying you should build it for function and the form (its looks) will follow?

anyway, looks good tim!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: HEYzipupyourfly on February 22, 2011, 12:12:18 PM

i totally agree but only when people try to build hotrods in to rock buggys, just plain fawwking ugly
next time i see you I'm going to kick you in the go-nads
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jeepgod on February 22, 2011, 12:26:59 PM

i totally agree but only when people try to build hotrods in to rock buggys, just plain fawwking ugly
next time i see you I'm going to kick you in the go-nads

i was going to start sh!!t talking your thread on pirate but figured i would leave it here  ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jon on February 22, 2011, 04:08:31 PM
wow you guys get your panties all twisted up.  Mitch is smart though.

The comment was directed at Tim.  I think it looks fine,  back half with the doulbe b pillar is strong (and cool). I don't think it will fall apart.

However The fact that you are giving up visibility (function) to make it look cooler (form) is stupid.   I would build it to keep the visibility then figure out how to tie the cage in and make it look good. with some gussets or addtional short tubes.

The only thing I would suggest is make plenty of storage as there isn't a ton of room in that backhalf.

Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: HEYzipupyourfly on February 22, 2011, 04:27:20 PM

i totally agree but only when people try to build hotrods in to rock buggys, just plain fawwking ugly
next time i see you I'm going to kick you in the go-nads

i was going to start sh!!t talking your thread on pirate but figured i would leave it here  ;D
lol it'll get enough [censored] talk there
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on February 22, 2011, 09:38:01 PM
I played around with it today, and I am going to continue to build off of the current front design.  I do not lose visibility.  The hood area is much narrower.

I hope to have it a roller tomorrow.  I have the axle at full bump, and I can't go higher because my steering will be in the frame, and my truss hits both the oil pan and the frame.  I'm looking at 3"-3.5" of up travel in the front, and 5"-6" in the rear.  I will get pics tomorrow.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jerry k on February 22, 2011, 09:50:21 PM
i think thats more uptravel  than me and ian combined.. ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: j-dawg on February 22, 2011, 09:56:15 PM
i think thats more uptravel  than me and ian combined.. ;D
not me...i have custom inverted shackles that give me MAD flex!!
can't wait to see that rig back on the trail tim!!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on February 22, 2011, 11:02:04 PM
Jay, you are the master of ox cart mode.  ;D


I can't wait to have it running again.  ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jps4jeep on February 23, 2011, 07:59:10 AM
wow you guys get your panties all twisted up.  Mitch is smart though.

The comment was directed at Tim.  I think it looks fine,  back half with the doulbe b pillar is strong (and cool). I don't think it will fall apart.

However The fact that you are giving up visibility (function) to make it look cooler (form) is stupid.   I would build it to keep the visibility then figure out how to tie the cage in and make it look good. with some gussets or addtional short tubes.

The only thing I would suggest is make plenty of storage as there isn't a ton of room in that backhalf.



Please pardon previous post.. and I don't wear panties.. Thong kinda guy  ;)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Mitch on February 23, 2011, 08:03:17 AM
wow you guys get your panties all twisted up.  Mitch is smart though.

The comment was directed at Tim.  I think it looks fine,  back half with the doulbe b pillar is strong (and cool). I don't think it will fall apart.

However The fact that you are giving up visibility (function) to make it look cooler (form) is stupid.   I would build it to keep the visibility then figure out how to tie the cage in and make it look good. with some gussets or addtional short tubes.

The only thing I would suggest is make plenty of storage as there isn't a ton of room in that backhalf.



Please pardon previous post.. and I don't wear panties.. Thong kinda guy  ;)

Probably the last time I will get called smart for a while, thanks :D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on March 02, 2011, 01:37:38 PM
Still working on this.  Just too lazy to take pictures.  Front shock mounts are figured out.  Kind of a weird way of doing them...but they will work fine.  I have my front frame upper link mount done, and the 7/8 heim fits now.  The problem I'm having now is with my upper arm clearance.  If I move it out of the way of the motor mount, I hit the bellhousing.  If I move it away from the bell housing, it hits the motor mount.  Right now, with the arm resting on the truss I have 8" of separation at the axle.  I think this is decent?  I guess I have to keep the arm at 8.5"ish and notch the motor mount.  We'll see......
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jps4jeep on March 02, 2011, 08:04:05 PM
How late did you work last night
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on March 02, 2011, 08:04:47 PM
half hour after you left. 
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: HEYzipupyourfly on March 09, 2011, 01:43:01 AM
Tim I peeked in there today. looking good, clever idea on the front shock mounts looks like it'll work well. Eventually putting a cross bar connecting the top of the shocks would help to stiffen the chassis in that area.`
Didn't look at the front suspension so no input on that sorry.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on March 09, 2011, 09:08:39 AM
Thanks Tony!  Yeah, I'll figure out a cross brace later.   :)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Ian on March 09, 2011, 10:11:06 AM
Tim I peeked in there today. looking good, clever idea on the front shock mounts looks like it'll work well. Eventually putting a cross bar connecting the top of the shocks would help to stiffen the chassis in that area.`
Didn't look at the front suspension so no input on that sorry.

sorry i didn't get to see ya tony, i was in a plant meeting ::)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: HEYzipupyourfly on March 09, 2011, 03:04:03 PM
Tim I peeked in there today. looking good, clever idea on the front shock mounts looks like it'll work well. Eventually putting a cross bar connecting the top of the shocks would help to stiffen the chassis in that area.`
Didn't look at the front suspension so no input on that sorry.

sorry i didn't get to see ya tony, i was in a plant meeting ::)
Its okay...i got to see the tractor; tractors and big women are the only two things that make me happy so I was somewhat satisfied with my visit.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on March 10, 2011, 12:31:19 AM
What about cute college girls driving tractors.  That's really great to see.   8)



Got a little done on the pile tonight.  Figured out my upper control arm problem.  I found the "sweet spot" where the arm will clear the bellhousing and motor mount with 1/4" of an inch to spare on both sides.  I boxed in all of the axle control arm mounts, and I started planning the hydro ram mount.  Looks like the ram will clear the crank pulley.  All in all, a good day.  No pics though....the pics would be a little boring, and I forgot my camera again.



I did have a little issue when bending tube.  I had the tube crack in half.  It might be due to a small nick that was right at the bend, but I am not sure.  Split pretty rapidly at 25* of bend.  I'll post a pic tomorrow.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: HEYzipupyourfly on March 10, 2011, 01:47:46 AM
really? aint never seen that before. Aren't you using DOM or is that HR?

that shouldn't happen in DOM unless your metal guy gets the DOM from China. fyi Dont buy ANY steel unless its made in US..or Canada they are good to.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: HEYzipupyourfly on March 10, 2011, 01:51:32 AM
oh and cute college girls are okay. I guess i would let them have sex with me, but i'de probably make them pay me.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on March 10, 2011, 08:32:26 AM
1020 DOM.  AFAIK made in Canada.  I'll get a pic.  It looks like there's a nick right where the crack started.  But still, I didn't think it would crack in half like that.  Kind of had me nervous for a while.....maybe my Jeep is one ginormous deathtrap??
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jeepgod on March 10, 2011, 09:37:50 AM
got your message this morning twisty, sorry i didn't see you called

very strange thing you had happen there

must be a bad piece of tube. dom does have a seam so did it tear in a straight line? like running a line? i would call the tube supplier and say something. i have heard f this happening but never senn it nor had it happen to me. the "knick" you are taling about would hve to be a heck of a cut to make it split i would say

weird
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Mitch on March 10, 2011, 09:39:22 AM
was the tube frozen?
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on March 10, 2011, 12:25:33 PM
No, we've bent tube in the single digits.  It was ~30 when this happened.  I attached a few pics.  You can see the nick I was talking about in one of the pics....I still don't think it was deep enough to cause this type of rip.

Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Mitch on March 10, 2011, 12:33:19 PM
split right in the middle of that nick?
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on March 10, 2011, 12:39:34 PM
yes it did.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: HEYzipupyourfly on March 10, 2011, 02:28:54 PM
why did you knick it?
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on March 10, 2011, 02:39:56 PM
I didn't on purpose.  I must have bumped it with the grinder at an earlier date..... ???
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: HEYzipupyourfly on March 10, 2011, 02:49:16 PM
judging by the pictures i would have to say that is the reason that split, hose are no just knicks, they are pretty deep from the looks of it. there is quite a bit of shrinking, stretching going on when you pu that over the die. i wouldn't think it would take much to make it fail
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Ian on March 10, 2011, 02:50:38 PM
after looking at it in person, i think that it was the 'nick' that caused the breakage. 
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jps4jeep on March 10, 2011, 03:59:33 PM
I wasn't there and I have not seen it but I think it was caused by unicorns and rainbows.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jason m on March 10, 2011, 10:15:54 PM
Take the grinder make a small cut in another chunk of tube and try it again. Or take the same chunk of tube that split and try bending it without a cut in it.

Ive had 1020 DOM crack before like that, with no gouge's or nicks in the tube. Just a bad piece of tube, inperfections or a slag pocket when it was made, or maybe not properly heat treated. Who know's, it was all from up north not Chine tube.

Jason.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on March 10, 2011, 10:39:15 PM
Good idea Jason.  I'll run it through the bender with another small nick to see if I can duplicate the results. 
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Ian on March 14, 2011, 12:09:44 PM
is this thing done yet?  ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on March 15, 2011, 09:28:26 AM
No.  I've decided that I don't have the resources to continue.  Therefore I will be parting it out.   ::)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: dave07 on March 15, 2011, 09:44:52 AM
No.  I've decided that I don't have the resources to continue.  Therefore I will be parting it out.   ::)

you better be joking....
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jeepgod on March 15, 2011, 10:13:32 AM
i'll give you penies on the dollar for it!!!!

 
i will then promptly scrap all the junk you did, save the axles and build something with a real frame and a winch. the things that matter   :finger:
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: 05rckymtn on March 15, 2011, 10:59:50 AM
No.  I've decided that I don't have the resources to continue.  Therefore I will be parting it out.   ::)

no way
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Ian on March 15, 2011, 11:19:03 AM
TIM is on his way over right now, its not going anywhere......
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jps4jeep on March 15, 2011, 09:57:15 PM
I'll give you nickles on the dollar... Then same as above
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on March 15, 2011, 10:11:54 PM
Well I had a few people contact me today.  Not sure if they were genuinely concerned, or if they wanted parts. :finger:

Its not going anywhere. :)  It was just a smartass reply to a smartass remark (Ian). ;D ;D


The fuel cell I picked up from Paul.  And John's missing shock boot. 
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/IMG_4138.jpg)

Rear link mounts boxed in.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/IMG_4139.jpg)

Front shock mount.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/IMG_4141.jpg)

And ram mount hoop.  It is not done yet.  I still have another plate to put on, and some diff cover modifications to make.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/IMG_4140.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/IMG_4142.jpg)

Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Krome on March 15, 2011, 10:59:00 PM
Look at those bling knuckles, oh damn.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Posimoto on March 15, 2011, 11:36:18 PM
:cheers:
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Mitch on March 16, 2011, 05:21:27 AM
your welds look nice on the rear links!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on March 30, 2011, 02:41:00 PM
More pics!!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4145.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4146.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4147.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4148.jpg)



At full bump, there is about 1/2" between the steering ram and the crank pulley.  I bent the panhard, because I thought that I would have issues.  Turns out that it will only hit at full bump.  I can have a straight one at ride height and through the range of suspension travel.  In the pics, the axle is drooped farther than the shock will travel, so I have no binding, and it will move around nicely!!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jason m on March 30, 2011, 04:11:00 PM
With those somewhat striaght lower links make damm sure that Pan hard bar is built beefy. As it stands all your side to force is on that one bar not so much the lowers.

I was wondering why you chopped a hole in your diff cover, to clear the ram, LOL. You can stand those cylinders up if you needed to.

Jason.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on March 30, 2011, 07:47:00 PM
Good call.  The panhard pictured is 1.25" x .120".  I am not going to use my current one because I do not trust something so little doing so much work (anymore).  I will get a 1.5" x .250" tube and use that with some 3/4 heims.  I do not know if my next one will be bent or not.  I see some issues with it being bent.  I think I can get away with a straight one....but if my shocks were to fail, the panhard would bind between the frame and the diff cover.   

Not sure what path I will take.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Bluerocket on March 30, 2011, 08:46:47 PM
I wouldn't worry about what happens when the shocks fail honestly.   If you were very worried you could build a piece of tube that bolts in where the shock was, and drive out that way.    A strait link there should be plenty strong, bending the link puts a lot of forces on everything.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Krome on March 31, 2011, 05:17:57 PM
(http://englishrussia.com/images/another_car_remake/5.jpg)


Looks like you're pretty close !  :woot:
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: dips on March 31, 2011, 07:57:58 PM
i dont think Tims will look THAT good!     :D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: thewrangler on April 01, 2011, 08:34:31 AM
(http://englishrussia.com/images/another_car_remake/5.jpg)


Looks like you're pretty close !  :woot:
cant wait to see what that bad boy can do on the trails! hahahah
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on April 01, 2011, 01:27:51 PM
Krome, wtf is that?  It has crooked headlights......
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jps4jeep on April 01, 2011, 02:03:51 PM
looks like a chevy LUV truck.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on April 05, 2011, 10:21:04 PM
After dicking around with my seat mount for far too long, I finally welded it in.  I love how the seat is placed.  It offers adequate head room, allows good visibility out the side, and doesn't cramp my legs when using the pedals. 

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4149.jpg)



I also boxed in the boat sides.  I still need to build another standoff to the frame, and trim the frame.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4150.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4152.jpg)


And then Ian helped me align these two V bars, and I got those welded in.  One of them was a little close to my dash....so it has a nice burn hole now.  ::)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4151.jpg)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Mitch on April 06, 2011, 05:29:52 AM
awesome tim. looking really good!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: dips on April 06, 2011, 05:30:19 AM
its looking real good Tim. cant wait to see it done!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Posimoto on April 06, 2011, 05:49:40 AM
Good progress!  :cheers:

Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: j-dawg on April 06, 2011, 05:55:14 AM
looks great tim!
when do you think it's gonna be ready?
look like you're getting there!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on April 06, 2011, 10:31:29 AM
Thanks dudes!!  Yesterday felt great.  It seemed that I made some good progress on things I've been putting off forever.  All the major fab work is almost done.  I still have a few more things that I will have to do (build belly skid, exhaust, skin boatsides, etc) but the cage is almost done.  Just some braces/gussets and it will be ready to.................roll I guess.  ;D


I've reached the point that the main thing holding me back is money.  I need to plumb my fuel system, brakes, steering, and transmission lines.  All this will require new fittings and hose.  I'm going to spend the money to get good quality stuff.  I don't want to re-do any of this because of sub-par parts. 

SO....if I had to guess, I'd say that it might be done in 2-3 months???
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jon on April 06, 2011, 10:36:38 AM
WINCH MOUNT
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Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Ian on April 06, 2011, 11:06:01 AM



I've reached the point that the main thing holding me back is money.

Should have worked for me  ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: HEYzipupyourfly on April 06, 2011, 11:56:29 AM
I also boxed in the boat sides.  I still need to build another standoff to the frame, and trim the frame.

when did you put a frame on it? i want pictures!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Posimoto on April 06, 2011, 01:23:48 PM
Tim, if you buy brake line by the roll and pre-bend I'll flare them for you. Thinking NEJZ express. 
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: XJFever on April 06, 2011, 01:28:13 PM
I can probably get some of that brakeline cheap, the stuff my father inlaws dealership carrys, anti corrosive such and such.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jeepgod on April 07, 2011, 11:38:53 AM
Thanks dudes!!  Yesterday felt great.  It seemed that I made some good progress on things I've been putting off forever.  All the major fab work is almost done.  I still have a few more things that I will have to do (build belly skid, exhaust, skin boatsides, etc) but the cage is almost done.  Just some braces/gussets and it will be ready to.................roll I guess.  ;D



so all the major fab is done ???? there is no winch mount on there!!!!  no winch=that guy!  :finger:

not going to let this rest. it is just sheer stupidity that you don't have a winch on there! nor do you have any provisions for one!  you spend all kinds of money on redoing a front suspension (that worked fine) and yet you won't spend money on a winch!?  ::)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: mika401 on April 07, 2011, 11:53:30 AM
Dam not going easy on the power guy are you!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jon on April 07, 2011, 12:23:18 PM
Dam not going easy on the power guy are you!
had to be there to understand.

honestly even a shittybuilt 8k would be fine.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: mika401 on April 07, 2011, 12:31:34 PM
Ahh that hamburger thingy I gather.  Feel free to explain  ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jeepgod on April 07, 2011, 01:55:19 PM
Ahh that hamburger thingy I gather.  Feel free to explain  ;D

whats to explain? invite only private run. nothing more really
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: mika401 on April 07, 2011, 02:38:30 PM
Hmmm was referring to maybe an incident involving Timmay and I assume some type of extraction, I believe details would be in order, if it were the case  ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jeepgod on April 07, 2011, 02:48:05 PM
Hmmm was referring to maybe an incident involving Timmay and I assume some type of extraction, I believe details would be in order, if it were the case  ;D

tim got stuck! ALOT! and jon and i had to get him out . . . . . . .alot!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: mika401 on April 07, 2011, 03:27:53 PM
I remember having one of those days where I became the official tow truck, NOT FUN!
It freaking sucks towing people out all day & not wheeling.
There should be a 1 free tow per day max rule or something, after that your on your own!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jeepgod on April 07, 2011, 04:28:36 PM
I remember having one of those days where I became the official tow truck, NOT FUN!
It freaking sucks towing people out all day & not wheeling.
There should be a 1 free tow per day max rule or something, after that your on your own!

its not so much he kept gwetting stuck it was that he could do nothing to get himself out.  i will tow out all day but when you are worthless at helping get yourself out i get frustrated
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on April 07, 2011, 04:56:56 PM
jfc.


There will be a winch on this thing before it sees the trails!!! >:(  I'm not going to go into why I don't have one yet, because it doesn't matter.  I know I need one, I have left space for one, and I have a winch plate that I'm going to use.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: mika401 on April 07, 2011, 05:53:39 PM
Poor Tim getting beat on in his own thread
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Bluerocket on April 07, 2011, 06:14:25 PM
jfc.


There will be a winch on this thing before it sees the trails!!! >:(  I'm not going to go into why I don't have one yet, because it doesn't matter.  I know I need one, I have left space for one, and I have a winch plate that I'm going to use.

:)  All in good fun tim!   
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Ian on April 07, 2011, 06:19:04 PM
Tim told me last week that he would only take it out for a shake down run before getting a winch.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jason m on April 07, 2011, 07:08:31 PM
I remember having one of those days where I became the official tow truck, NOT FUN!


Remember Swanzy and the stock XJ ;D

Jason.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jon on April 08, 2011, 08:03:38 AM
Tim told me last week that he would only take it out for a shake down run before getting a winch.
If I see it on the trail with no winch I will light it on fire.

just saying ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: HEYzipupyourfly on April 08, 2011, 02:17:24 PM
if its to the point you aren't wheeling it BECAUSE you need a winch, i just wont have it.
For you Tim i would lend you one of the winches I am not using if it came to that.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on April 12, 2011, 10:50:21 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/100_0015.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/100_0016.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/100_00187.jpg)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: 05rckymtn on April 13, 2011, 12:34:24 AM
Looks good twisty.  Someone is messing with you and hung your spare up on the wall!!! :woot:
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on April 15, 2011, 10:44:13 PM
Installing the air shocks.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4154.jpg)


And sitting at ride height.  No jackstands.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4155.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4156.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4157.jpg)





20.25" belly height (was 25.25" when I last drove it in November).  115" wheelbase.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jason m on April 15, 2011, 10:52:02 PM
Mmmm rear steer ;D

I see that in your future.

Jason.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: mika401 on April 16, 2011, 08:29:39 AM
You should like it alot better at 20" belly
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: dips on April 16, 2011, 09:27:51 AM
im jealous yours is off jack stands before mine   :finger:
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: j-dawg on April 16, 2011, 09:46:46 AM
nice work tim!!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on April 16, 2011, 10:36:10 AM
im jealous yours is off jack stands before mine   :finger:

 :starwars:


Jason, you know it. ;D


Thanks guys!  It was tons of fun to get the shocks filled, and the Jeep on jackstands!  It is much more stable and easier to work on now. 
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: burtonjeeplj on April 17, 2011, 09:23:24 AM
im jealous yours is off jack stands before mine   :finger:

 :starwars:


I see your jackstands are free now, i bet they are gonna be lonely  ;D




Jason, you know it. ;D


Thanks guys!  It was tons of fun to get the shocks filled, and the Jeep on jackstands!  It is much more stable and easier to work on now. 
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Mitch on April 20, 2011, 03:00:05 PM
wow looking good tim! way to keep up your motivation!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on April 20, 2011, 10:24:52 PM
Thanks Mitch!  It's been a little difficult at times, but I'm starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel.  I've been getting some goodies in the mail which will get me a lot closer to having it running again!!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: cj7fan on April 21, 2011, 07:20:35 AM
Great work Tim!  You are almost there.  I can't wait to shoot up to the shop to check it out in person.

K
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Bradman on April 21, 2011, 07:53:57 AM
that is incredible Tim.  Man I mis those dented rear quarters though  :-\
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on April 27, 2011, 09:31:52 AM
Pics update!

Trans cooler with -8 fittings and hose.  (thanks for the recommendation Jon)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4158.jpg)

Started a fuel cell cradle.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4160.jpg)

Tied the front boat sides into the "frame."  It might hit the tire at full lock....not sure yet.   ::)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4159.jpg)

And finished the back X.  I was dreading doing this, so I knocked it out last time.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4161.jpg)


I also started on the passenger seat mount.  In the next couple of weeks I will have some goodies coming in.  Yes, that means a winch!!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: burtonjeeplj on April 27, 2011, 10:18:30 AM
wow looking great Timmy....get it done!!!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on April 27, 2011, 10:44:31 AM
Working on it.    ;)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on April 27, 2011, 11:14:23 AM
Funny story.


I have an RCI 15gal fuel cell.  I am not going to use the stock pump (obviously).  Instead I am going to go with the Walbro 255 fuel pump and 4 Walbro fuel pickups.  While researching filters, I was shocked to see that most of the 10 micron filters on Summit were in the $80 range.  I wasn't happy about that, so I began to search for spin on type filters.  I already have a filter adapter, and wanted to re-use it.  After a some looking I found a Wix 10 micron filter with a 3/4x16tpi thread!  I was so proud of myself.  Then I received it.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4162.jpg)

HOLY CRAP is it big!!  I'm still planning to use it though.  It may look goofy, but I will have some clean fuel going to my engine!!  ;D ::)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: dips on April 27, 2011, 11:15:24 AM
looking good Tim, almost time to wheel it!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: 05rckymtn on April 27, 2011, 11:47:56 AM
whoa...u have a lot of cutting boards.

jk, good for you for finding an alternative.  Rear cage "X" looks awesome. 
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on April 27, 2011, 11:55:03 AM
Thanks Andrew.  I like the look of the rear X too. ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: mika401 on April 27, 2011, 12:22:51 PM
Dam thats a big arse filter for a 4.0
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on April 27, 2011, 05:06:20 PM
Cage question...

How much benefit would I get by adding in these red bars to my current design?  If it's astronomical I will add some in.  If it's not critical I might wait.  I can see it helping support the roof from caving in...but am not an expert in cages to be 100% sure.

Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: mika401 on April 27, 2011, 05:10:22 PM
I would do it, if you have the tube there is benefit to it.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Posimoto on April 27, 2011, 07:00:58 PM
(http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn275/jychen1/50004British-Flag-Posters.jpg)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Ian on April 27, 2011, 07:04:32 PM
Haha
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: derickw on April 27, 2011, 07:09:47 PM
maybe at least add the top one to distribute the impact from your roof
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on April 27, 2011, 08:47:14 PM
Chuck, thanks.  It'll stay for now.   ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jps4jeep on April 27, 2011, 09:05:58 PM
that tube will help the rigidity in a hard flop back or forward
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on May 02, 2011, 10:55:36 AM
So in the past day I have purchased a lot of stuff!!

Walbro 255lph fuel pump
fuel fittings, and fuel line (just need to figure out Walbro pickup connections)
power steering feed line
Warn M8000 (!!!)
Yukon 4340 stubs
Crow Enterprizes 3" harnesses with sewn in shoulder pads
$75 worth of nuts and bolts from Bolt Depot
35 spline drive flanges
Dana Spicer inner shafts
Dana Spicer D60 u-joints
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: dave07 on May 02, 2011, 11:25:32 AM
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jon on May 02, 2011, 11:32:23 AM
thank god.

you know what I am referring to.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on May 02, 2011, 11:36:27 AM
My 35 spline stub shafts, right?  ;D




the winch, I know




Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jeepgod on May 02, 2011, 11:38:31 AM
so after all the waiting you bought a crappy winch!   geeez


 ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on May 02, 2011, 11:52:14 AM
It's all I can afford now. ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jeepgod on May 02, 2011, 12:29:50 PM
i have no idea what that thing costs?

it will be fine

glad you got a winch and are closing in on this thing
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on May 02, 2011, 03:14:34 PM
Also picked up a case of this.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/turdpolish.jpg)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jeepgod on May 02, 2011, 04:03:58 PM
Also picked up a case of this.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/turdpolish.jpg)

oh nice i have used that stuff myself. never seems to work as well as advertised
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jon on May 02, 2011, 04:24:30 PM
M8000 is good.  I would have been ok with you going out and buying a goddamn comealong. ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on May 02, 2011, 04:27:56 PM
hahah!!  I'll stick with the M8000.  ;D


I just need to pick up some steel so I can fabricate the bumper/cradle thing it will sit in.   8)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jason m on May 02, 2011, 06:53:44 PM
Tim how much were the Dana 60 35 spline and where did you get them, link.

Jason.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on May 02, 2011, 06:54:24 PM
pm sent.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jason m on May 02, 2011, 07:00:00 PM
Ya never mind I thought you found some Dana 60 35 spline drive flange's ::)

Those are some good price's on the shafts.

Jason.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on May 02, 2011, 07:01:45 PM
Oh, sorry. 

I got the flanges from RPM offroad for $185 shipped. 
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on May 03, 2011, 04:44:32 PM
My bolts came today!  Looks like I accidentally bought grade 5 bolts for my seats/harnesses.  I'll use them for now, but switch out to grade 8 before I wheel.   ::)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jerry k on May 04, 2011, 08:42:56 AM
Grade 8 ? What do plan on driving into a tornado ?   ........  ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on May 04, 2011, 09:56:26 AM
Quote
As previously mentioned, the minimum grade for all restraint mounts is SAE Grade 8.

http://pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/Harness_install/



Do I think grade 5 will work? Yes, I do.  But I don't want to compromise safety because of a $0.60 part!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jerry k on May 04, 2011, 10:51:02 AM
Better safe than sorry ...
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on May 04, 2011, 11:42:24 AM
Right.

Example.  It's safe to say that some people are glad that I now have one of these.  I'm also sorry I didn't get one sooner.  :finger:

I also have an $80 mail in rebate to send in too.  It's already in the envelope, ready to go!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Axle on May 04, 2011, 11:45:16 AM
 8)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Bluerocket on May 04, 2011, 12:27:26 PM
Yess!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: dips on May 04, 2011, 01:15:27 PM
now you need a nice switch panel   ;)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on May 04, 2011, 02:45:35 PM
Drive flanges are here, as is most of my fuel system.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on May 07, 2011, 07:37:51 AM
Got my stubs, and Crow safety harnesses in yesterday.  These harnesses are some spiffy parts.   8)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: dips on May 07, 2011, 07:59:11 AM
 :rockon:
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on May 10, 2011, 06:34:54 PM
Working with Warn to get a replacement motor cover for the winch.  The box had a dent in the side, and when I looked at the winch, the motor end cap was dented and cracked.  I don't want water to get in there so I requested a replacement.  They've already sent me a new cover....but it won't work.  Lets see how long this takes. 


Also, I want to give a plug for Jeff @ Crown.  He hooked me up with some Spicer D60 parts (inner shafts and u-joints) for super low prices!  His prices shipped were lower than other places before shipping!!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: burtonjeeplj on May 10, 2011, 08:35:37 PM
Working with Warn to get a replacement motor cover for the winch.  The box had a dent in the side, and when I looked at the winch, the motor end cap was dented and cracked.  I don't want water to get in there so I requested a replacement.  They've already sent me a new cover....but it won't work.  Lets see how long this takes. 

Also, I want to give a plug for Jeff @ Crown.  He hooked me up with some Spicer D60 parts (inner shafts and u-joints) for super low prices!  His prices shipped were lower than other places before shipping!!
Did you get stock replacement inner shafts?
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on May 10, 2011, 08:37:39 PM
yes
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Bluerocket on May 10, 2011, 09:08:47 PM
Working with Warn to get a replacement motor cover for the winch.  The box had a dent in the side, and when I looked at the winch, the motor end cap was dented and cracked.  I don't want water to get in there so I requested a replacement.  They've already sent me a new cover....but it won't work.  Lets see how long this takes. 


Also, I want to give a plug for Jeff @ Crown.  He hooked me up with some Spicer D60 parts (inner shafts and u-joints) for super low prices!  His prices shipped were lower than other places before shipping!!


I hope yours gets fixed quicker than my superwinch that arrived with a damaged solinoid box :)  It is finally fixed now, months later.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: mika401 on May 11, 2011, 09:29:36 AM
Also, I want to give a plug for Jeff @ Crown.  He hooked me up with some Spicer D60 parts (inner shafts and u-joints) for super low prices!  His prices shipped were lower than other places before shipping!!

Yup Jason & I cleaned him out once before  ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on May 13, 2011, 10:00:39 PM
Well today I got my axle shafts assembled and painted.  I finished repairing the 2 stripped bolt holes for my power steering pump bracket.  I also drilled out the hi-steer arms.  7.5" from the center of the KP with 8" throw should put me close to where I was before.

I also ordered a Howe power steering cooler. 
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: burtonjeeplj on May 16, 2011, 09:56:22 AM
Well today I got my axle shafts assembled and painted.  I finished repairing the 2 stripped bolt holes for my power steering pump bracket.  I also drilled out the hi-steer arms.  7.5" from the center of the KP with 8" throw should put me close to where I was before.

I also ordered a Howe power steering cooler. 
Thats all you got done on Friday?  Sorry for taking building time away from ya  :)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on May 16, 2011, 09:57:41 AM
Jerry came by too.  I got enough done.  I felt it was a good day. I was too tired to do anything else.   :-\
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on May 16, 2011, 03:10:00 PM
Just got home with a 260lb piece of .250 plate steel for $35.  This will get me through the rest of this build, and then some.   ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Posimoto on May 16, 2011, 03:36:04 PM
That's under $2 per pound price difference between what you paid and scrap price (figuring $220 a ton).

Nice!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on May 16, 2011, 03:45:02 PM
It was at a scrap yard.  I brought 300lbs of stuff, at $.05 / lb.  The yard charged me $.20 / lb for this stuff.  50-15=35. :)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Posimoto on May 16, 2011, 04:22:37 PM
That yard is only paying out $100 a ton? Last I checked they were paying out .11 a pound in my area.

Regardless good deal.

Edit: if the stuff you brought in was loose I can understand the .05
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on May 21, 2011, 07:01:14 AM
I got a little done last night.

Mounted my rear limiting strap.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Mobile%20Uploads/0520011842.jpg)

Mounted my rebuilt PS pump (now with -12 feed) and new 9" reservoir with integral filter.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Mobile%20Uploads/0520011836a.jpg)

And I mounted the passenger seat.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Mobile%20Uploads/0520012021.jpg)


Sorry for the crappy cell pics.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Bradman on May 21, 2011, 09:19:51 AM
crappy pics or not.....its progress :salute:
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jerry k on May 21, 2011, 10:42:25 AM
Jerry came by too.  I got enough done.  I felt it was a good day. I was too tired to do anything else.   :-\


Thanks again for helping with that Tim.. 8)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: 05rckymtn on May 21, 2011, 12:26:31 PM
How much is left on the to do list? 
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on May 21, 2011, 12:32:44 PM
-Assemble and plumb fuel system
-Plumb transmission cooler lines, mount cooler and fan
-Plumb steering lines, build reservoir mount
-Get mini tie-rods made and center the ram on the axle - drill and tap mounting holes
-Make doubler cable shifters
-Get RADesigns AW4 trans shifter
-Mount harnessess
-Finish assembling doubler
-Make drive shafts
-Finish front winch mount
-Mount battery and run cables
-Re-wire engine
-Finish cage (roof bars, door bars, verticle supports behind seats)
-Exhaust
-Skid plates
-Boat sides
-Finish assembling front axle

There's probably more, but that's basically all of it.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Bradman on May 21, 2011, 04:51:53 PM
holy CHIT Batman
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: 05rckymtn on May 21, 2011, 08:24:47 PM
I forgot did you fab your front truss or running a pre-fab?  Id like to see the ram mount either way. Im stuck trying to figure out if im gonna try to fab one or pony up and buy a kit
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on May 22, 2011, 06:54:37 AM
I made it.  Here's the best pic.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4147.jpg)

Does Artec make one for the 78/79 axle?  I realy like theirs.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jason m on May 22, 2011, 09:49:30 AM
Alot of good idea's here.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=980212

Even the pre built one's, some times they need alot of tweaking to make fit for your certon applacation, so IMO a purpose built ( for your rig ) is a better start.

Jason.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: 05rckymtn on May 22, 2011, 12:33:36 PM
thanks Tim.

Jason, I agree...limited tools and access to tools makes me think about pre-made.  Ive got something designed out of cardboard....but the ram mount is the real tricky part
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Axle on May 22, 2011, 01:59:17 PM
make it out of wood!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: burtonjeeplj on June 14, 2011, 12:42:50 PM
any updates  :woot:
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on June 14, 2011, 11:13:20 PM
Yes!  I just got home from a productive night.  I finished my reservoir mount, and got my ram bolted on.  Still going to make a keyway to add strength, but all 4 bolts are in, and the diff cover is welded shut.

Here's a pic of the new tie-rods and ram placement.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/100_0029.jpg)

It seems that I mis-measured for my tie-rods...but only by .250-.500 each.  Not a whole lot, but I need some input on my current situation.  I have 3 threads out of the jam nut.  In the AL tie rods I have 1 5/16 of thread engagement (AL is 7075).  Is this strong enough?  Todd, Jon, Jason.....anyone with experience?  I was hoping to have the heims bottomed out, but they're out a little.  They're 7/8 shank, by the way. 

Here's a bad pic of the heims.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/100_0034.jpg)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on June 14, 2011, 11:59:35 PM
Did some research, and after comparing 7075 -T6 to 1018 and 1020 DOM, it seems that the 7075 has similar yield strengths.  Not as concerned as before.  I'm going to run them unless someone has some major concerns.  Jam nuts will be kept tight and Loctited.   8)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jeepgod on June 15, 2011, 05:33:08 AM
its fine run it
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jason m on June 15, 2011, 07:09:14 AM
1 5/16" is plenty of engagament.

Is there a clearance issue if you flipped the Hydro line's around towards the axle. I remember reading someware about its close to the cover.

Jason.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jon on June 15, 2011, 07:38:33 AM
it will be plenty fine.

to be honest i would prefer a little more thread showing so you have some ability to adjust the alignment/toe.

J
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on June 15, 2011, 09:05:30 AM
1 5/16" is plenty of engagament.

Is there a clearance issue if you flipped the Hydro line's around towards the axle. I remember reading someware about its close to the cover.

Jason.

Yeah, I don't like where they are either!!  If I flipped the ram around, the fitting would hit the diff cover, and be in the way of the panhard.  ::)


jeepgod, jon, jason.....thanks for the input on the tie rods!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jason m on June 15, 2011, 02:05:00 PM
Maybe weld a little gaurd or two that cover the hydro line area.

I know its not but it allmost looks like the line's would be very close to your approach angel. Again I know its not, but somthing there would not hurt.

Jason.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jps4jeep on June 15, 2011, 02:20:21 PM
Just put the cab back on and give up, it'll never work  ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on June 18, 2011, 09:29:27 PM
Got a decent amount done tonight.


First.....lets start with Ian's opinion on tire size.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/100_0044.jpg)




Now on to my progress.

Got the power steering reservoir mounted up.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/100_0035.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/100_0036.jpg)

And the cooler.  I made the little rubber pieces out of some old hockey pucks.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/100_0040.jpg)

A quick pic of my diff cover ram mount.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/100_0037.jpg)

Then I mounted my trans cooler.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/100_0039.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/100_0038.jpg)

And I mounted my fuel cell and my tool box.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/100_0041.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/100_0042.jpg)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Ian on June 18, 2011, 10:46:58 PM
Damn straight twisty, I do heart the big meats
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jps4jeep on June 19, 2011, 08:47:57 AM
Looking good Tim
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jps4jeep on June 19, 2011, 08:50:46 AM
Question, why didn't you just offset the ram to one side a couple inches? it's not imperitive that the ram be 100% centered, off set 2 incher either way would have no effect on performance. the only down side would be that your tie rods would be differet, but I don't think thats a critical thing.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on June 19, 2011, 12:37:45 PM
You are right, John.  If I had a later model D60, I would have pushed the ram back to get it closer to the axle, but since I have a 1979, and the pumpkin isn't that far from center, the ram would have been very off set to get it farther back.

That, and I like symmetry. ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Bradman on June 19, 2011, 07:27:52 PM
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Posimoto on June 20, 2011, 10:15:16 AM
Resourceful on the pucks, good idea

Some really clean work being done on this rig!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on June 20, 2011, 10:58:56 AM
Thanks Chuck!!

I hit Sears yesterday to take advantage of the Fathers Day tool sales.  I got a set (SAE and Metric) of reversible gear wrenches for $80 (normally $160).  42 screw driver set for $40 (normally $60).  I also purchased socket organizers, adjustable wrenches, pry bars, and a vise.  My next purchase will be a 413 piece mechanics tool set.  

I will be retiring my current tool set for trail duty.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Ian on June 20, 2011, 12:28:43 PM
Congrats on the tools.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on June 25, 2011, 10:38:26 PM
Ordered the following.

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00944048000P?prdNo=4&blockNo=4&blockType=G4

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00942283000P?prdNo=1&blockNo=1&blockType=G1

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00935299000P?prdNo=1&blockNo=1&blockType=G1

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00944803000P?prdNo=7&blockNo=7&blockType=G7


10% off and free shipping.  Had to pay tax though.   ::)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Posimoto on June 26, 2011, 07:05:40 AM
I like that the � set goes up to 1 � and 22mm

Those extensions and adapters will come in handy at the most opportune times

IMO, the contour ratchet is far more comfortable to work with over the standard ratchets.

Well done!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: burtonjeeplj on June 27, 2011, 03:50:19 PM
so your at the tool ordering stage....does that mean this thing is done???? ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jon on July 01, 2011, 08:07:11 AM
good thing you already bought a winch ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on July 04, 2011, 08:11:38 AM
No real pics, but I got the orbital mounted, some steering hoses made, and the transmission hoses made.  I built a keyway for my steering ram, so the bolts aren't the only things holding it in place.  Lastly I started a skidplate for the front of my steering hoop.  It didn't go as planned and I ran out of welding gas before I could really get going on it.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Ian on July 04, 2011, 03:56:51 PM
I'll get more gas tomorrow.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on July 18, 2011, 09:38:55 PM
It's home.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Mitch on July 19, 2011, 05:35:54 AM
did you paint it!??
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: burtonjeeplj on July 19, 2011, 10:10:54 AM
It's home.

I dont believe it.....pics or it never happened  ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: j-dawg on July 19, 2011, 10:17:31 AM

I dont believe it.....pics or it never happened  ;D

x2!!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on July 19, 2011, 08:14:32 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4232.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4231.jpg)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Axle on July 19, 2011, 08:38:22 PM
nice!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: DirtyTj on July 19, 2011, 08:53:17 PM
Cool!!!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: j-dawg on July 19, 2011, 09:18:01 PM
sweet little setup timmy!! came out great!!
we should do a wood grain wrap on the tubing!! ha ha!! ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: mika401 on July 19, 2011, 09:55:22 PM
Nice so when is the shakedown run?
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on July 19, 2011, 10:16:16 PM
I don't know.  I was hoping for fall crawl, but that's looking doubtful now.  I'm not in any rush.  Enjoying the build and trying to do everything right this time around.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: burtonjeeplj on July 20, 2011, 05:43:36 AM
Tim, looking good bet it feels great to have ur rig back home :)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: 05rckymtn on July 20, 2011, 07:41:27 AM
 :salute: :salute: :salute: :salute:
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: mika401 on July 20, 2011, 10:36:16 AM
I don't know.  I was hoping for fall crawl, but that's looking doubtful now.
What the hell, what have you got left to do?
Looks ready to me!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on July 20, 2011, 06:17:01 PM
Fiddled with it a little tonight.  Finish welded most of the roof and cut out the front crossmember in preparation for mounting the winch.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on July 20, 2011, 06:21:25 PM
More
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on July 20, 2011, 06:24:33 PM
Uno mas.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Hunter on July 21, 2011, 12:31:34 PM
wow, it came out real nice, good luck on the trails.  ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jps4jeep on July 21, 2011, 12:51:49 PM
Tim, I have one concern, the red rag in the front drivers hub, will it hold up to the 42's? I think you should have considered a black rag since everyone knows that they are stronger and morer-harder-corer than the red ones. :finger:

Looks Awesome Tim, great work! I really like the simple clean lines  ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on July 21, 2011, 01:52:38 PM
red will work fine.  I read it on jeepforum.


::)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Axle on July 21, 2011, 02:35:01 PM
^what is that stuff?^
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jps4jeep on July 21, 2011, 02:48:23 PM
looks like someone got a walbro shipment from LII


edit, appears to be a walbro fuel pick up Bob
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on July 21, 2011, 03:10:38 PM
Yes, walbros.  But not from lii.  Look at the sideways pic again.  ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: mika401 on July 21, 2011, 05:35:22 PM
Yes, walbros.  But not from lii.  Look at the sideways pic again.  ;D

Good to know, much rather buy stuff from Adam then LII
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on July 21, 2011, 06:15:55 PM
You and other people have had not great things to say about Lii.  Lii's website was down when I wanted to order, so I went through WOD for everything.  Really nice guys on the phone.  Even though my order was relatively small, they took the time to answer questions and were grateful for my order.  I highly recommend them.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jeepgod on July 21, 2011, 06:42:01 PM
tim (owner of LII) is a fabricator not a salesman or retail guy. i wouldn't suggest ordering stuff from him

now get this POS done twisty
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jps4jeep on July 21, 2011, 07:47:32 PM
Sorry, I just recalled you saying you were gonna order from him.

Pm me how much to your door, I need some for my cell.


Edit, just enlarged the photo, now I see the sticker
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on July 23, 2011, 08:21:32 PM
NO progress on the MJ the past few days.  Too damn hot!!  Today I finally got around to building myself a badass workbench.  I used four oak 2x8s that I milled at work, and a pressure treated 6x6 to tie them together.  I then ran oak 2x4s (also milled by me) parallel to the 6x6s to make the working surface a little more level.  The 2x8s are tied into the 6x6s with big 1/2x6" screws.  The table probably weighs 200lbs and I still need to add the legs.  I have a 4.5" "professional" Craftsman vise that I'm going to add to the top.  Can't wait to get this table finished.  I lack a good sturdy working surface.  

Overall the table is 33" wide and 8' long.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on July 31, 2011, 08:11:59 PM
Worked some more on my center console.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Mobile%20Uploads/100MEDIAIMAG0016.jpg)

Gusseted my rear shock mounts.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Mobile%20Uploads/100MEDIAIMAG0017.jpg)

Made my fuel lines.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Mobile%20Uploads/100MEDIAIMAG0018.jpg)

And tested out a new look.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Mobile%20Uploads/100MEDIAIMAG0019.jpg)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on July 31, 2011, 08:36:11 PM
I also finished the passenger side boat sides.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Mobile%20Uploads/100MEDIAIMAG0020.jpg)

And I took the surplus center sticker off to add a more personal one. ;D
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Mobile%20Uploads/100MEDIAIMAG0015.jpg)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: j-dawg on July 31, 2011, 09:41:09 PM
what? no "ulous"? looks great tim!! nice work!
i am liking the fender idea...could look cool
 8)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on July 31, 2011, 09:57:00 PM
I'm saving those for a special use.   ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Ian on August 01, 2011, 12:47:20 PM
i like the skins.  do rear skins too.    purley for a cosmetic reasons. 
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on August 04, 2011, 09:42:35 PM
Angled and capped my frame rails.  I was dreading this job and put it off forever.  I think it came out well.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Mobile%20Uploads/100MEDIAIMAG0022.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Mobile%20Uploads/100MEDIAIMAG0023.jpg)


I also took pics of my finished fuel system (except for the in tank pickups).  I have a fuel cutoff valve on the supply and return.   While it is a little for safety, I wanted them so I could work on the fuel system without having to drain the tanke. 

Here's the pump supply line.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Mobile%20Uploads/100MEDIAIMAG0024.jpg)

The pump location and filter.  The filter is rated to 10 microns.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Mobile%20Uploads/100MEDIAIMAG0025.jpg)

And here is the tank return line.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Mobile%20Uploads/100MEDIAIMAG0026.jpg)



Any criticism of my fuel system design?  I wanted it to allow the pump to be close and to not have to work hard to suck fuel.  Even when climbing the fuel will be close to the pump and easily moved.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Mitch on August 04, 2011, 10:29:57 PM
tim, nice work all around. The frame rails came out great.

I was involved with hydraulic mechanics and machine building for a while in my younger years, and all the return lines were at the top of the tank. I worry about your return line working properly as they are usually very low pressure and may not be able to "return" under the weight of a full gas tank. I know nothing about fuel systems however and this concern really has no validation because of that. However, fluid mechanics made me post this.

Did you cut and weld that coupling in place or was it there for that intended purpose?

Also, if you think this post holds weight, we used SAE/NTP couplings. SAE on the outside for a snug leakfree o-ring fit. and NTP went inside the tank where we screwed a 90 degree fitting facing down the to the bottom and a threaded pipe with a 45 degree angle cut on it a few inches from the bottom so that the oil dripping in wouldnt create air bubbles and caveate the pumps.... but that's oil and its a bit thicker than gas.

Just food for thought and a little constructive rantacism for you :)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on August 04, 2011, 10:38:27 PM
Interesting point of view.  I don't really know why I put that fitting on the bottom.  It is just a bulkhead fitting which I added to get -an thread on the inside.  The stock fittings are not threaded on the inside.  I will do some research about the location of the return fitting.  Part of me wanted to put it there so the fuel came in on the bottom and wasn't dripping in from the top and splashing and creating bubbles.

Thanks for the input.  I really appreciate it.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on August 04, 2011, 10:40:54 PM
I can also see the.fuel back flowing through the return since it is easily made lower than the supply.  Such as parking or driving down a hill.  Maybe I should move the fitting to the top.....
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Mitch on August 04, 2011, 11:15:16 PM
tim, i wouldnt use sae or o-rings for fuel lines - again, limited knowledge speaking here - but I am pretty sure gasoline will eat the rubber o-rings. But there has to be something that you can use, I am sure you will find it :)

also, the viscosity of fuel makes me thing that a "down line" inside the tank would not be nessassary as the bubbles created (if any) would be minimal and quickly surfaced, unlike certain oils.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Mitch on August 04, 2011, 11:29:33 PM
also, if you want to test your welds for leaks - plug the hole on the outside of the tank (to avoid spray through) and soak the weld area best you can from inside the tank with WD40. It finds "pin holes" in welds naked to the human eye awesomely. Just spray and wait 5 min, the check the welds around the fitting on the outside for wet spots. Grind those areas all the all the way down to the tank + and about a 1/4" to the right and left of suspected hole. Then hit with a new round of weld and spray again. Use mineral spirits on a rag to clean up the WD40. Its magical!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on August 04, 2011, 11:33:30 PM
I'm using an fittings all around.  No o-rings.  I sod a quick search and stumbled on this post.

http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=423425&highlight=fuel+system+return.

I might try it.  There might be no issue.  I could also add a tube on the inside that connects to the return fitting, and loops ip, then back down.


I did a quo k search on the pressure at depths.  The pressure exerted by fresh water is .432 psi/foot.  Fuel is lighternthan water.  My tank is 18" tall.  If it were full, it would put about .648 psi on the return line.  


Hmmmmmmmmmmm. Is my math wrong?
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on August 04, 2011, 11:35:25 PM
I have no welds on my tank.  Bulkhead fittings with teflon washers.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Mitch on August 04, 2011, 11:38:58 PM
i read the pirate, and I may just be wasting your time. Sorry man - the rest is up to you.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on August 04, 2011, 11:42:26 PM
No time wasted.  I learned something, and reevaluated my hoses.  I'm not 100% sure its perfect.  Thanks again for the input.  :)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on August 17, 2011, 09:45:04 PM
I've been stacking with my updates.  No pics...I will get those tomorrow.  Ian came over yesterday and helped me get the transfer cases installed.  They are a pita to fit around the tube, but we got them in.  We also strengthened my rear link crossmember with .25".  I'm happy with it and feel that it is up to the task of wheeling now.  I've also painted most of the rear of the cage.  I'm also piercing together my fuel tank pickup system.  I spent a lot of money on brass fittings and large brake lines to make a big H to put the pickups on.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Krome on August 17, 2011, 09:54:24 PM
i hope you skin this thing to look like an MJ
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Ian on August 17, 2011, 10:26:55 PM
I left my tree saver there
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on August 24, 2011, 06:42:48 PM
Double shear steering arms.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: mika401 on August 24, 2011, 07:43:03 PM
on the bottom?
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on August 24, 2011, 08:19:35 PM
Yes, if I go to the top of the arm, I run into every clearance problem you can imagine. 
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: navman 5.0 on August 24, 2011, 08:50:50 PM
Tic tock i hear fall crawl coming!! You going to be there before 10am on sunday? Lol
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on August 24, 2011, 09:31:29 PM
It will not be at fall crawl.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: navman 5.0 on September 05, 2011, 09:10:09 AM
That sucks!! Any more progress? Still got a week!!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on September 05, 2011, 08:38:00 PM
Yes, lots of good progress.  But still not enough to be ready.  I must work slow, because it's taking me forever to get stuff done. 



Here's a shot of the rear end.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4241.jpg)

I got the Walbros in.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4238.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4239.jpg)

All brake hoses in.  Still need the hard lines to the master.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4245.jpg)

Flexing the front to test drive shaft.  I was able to fit a 1 piece shaft without modifying it.  I notched the crossmember a tad, and can use all 14 inches of shock travel. 
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4246.jpg)

Welded in a bung for my trans temp sensor.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4240.jpg)

Front back together.  Notice the winch bumper (Jon H.).  Waiting on a steel hawse fairlead so I can cut the hole and finish mounting the winch.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4247.jpg)

Front axle.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4248.jpg)

And my super awesome drive flanges are finally installed.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4249.jpg)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: mika401 on September 06, 2011, 05:57:16 AM
Doesn't look like you have much left
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Posimoto on September 06, 2011, 07:11:58 AM
Nothing wrong with taking your time to get it just that way you want. Speeding up the process can take the fun out of it, at least it does for me.

Nice work on the plumbing.

What paint are you using?
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: HEYzipupyourfly on September 06, 2011, 07:53:35 AM
looking good dude. wish i had the time to get my shyt going.
One thing that concerns me though, The fuel tank plumbing.... :o
Correct me if i missed any details about the system you are running because i skimmed through everything I havent been on here in a while.
Although it is done cleanly I'm not sure what all the fittings you have in there are maybe there is some trick check valves etc but My experience with more than one pickup inside the tank has always been disastrous. I feel that your going to lose suction(and pressure) the second one of them lose fuel from around them. It will suck the remaining fuel from the pickup to the common joint then lose all suction at the remaining pickup points. especially with no baffling or troughs around the pickups. It looks like you have four but maybe its just two?

SO in theory your actually making your usable fuel cap smaller with a pickup in 4 corners vs one in the center. look at where things end up when its at 45 degrees and you'll get what i mean.

another tip and i hate pointing out things like this on the internet because i sound like a dick. but i kind of am so whatever.
That 90 in the center joint where it looks like it goes from the pump to the two side pickups. That is an NPT thread and doesn't REQUIRE tef tape although it help in some cases it should seal to itself and tape is not needed.  Inside a fuel tank you should always refrain from using tape, sealant glues and epoxy cause it eventually ends up in your pickup strainer/pump/filter/injectors etc.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Bluerocket on September 06, 2011, 08:05:01 AM
I like it, build me one :)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on September 06, 2011, 08:18:03 AM
Tony, the fuel pickups close when fuel sloshes away.  Thus no loss of suction.   They are designed for snowmobile racing.  Great reviews on Pirate.  Look up Walbro fuel pickups if you have some spare time.  Good call on the teflon tape.  I shouldn't have used it, but I wasn't thinking clearly about that when I built the lines.  I'm not going to remove it.  Too much of a pita to get the assembly out.


Thanks Bobby. :)

Chuck- rustoleum clean metal primer all around.  Back half was rustoleum gloss black.  Front half was X-O rust from the hardware store.  It SUCKS!!! Still not dry after a week of sitting. 


Miguel- still plenty to keep me busy.  Lol.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: HEYzipupyourfly on September 06, 2011, 08:20:58 AM
ok thats the part where i didnt read up. hopefully they work out.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: navman 5.0 on September 06, 2011, 11:18:18 AM
Arctic cat efi sled?
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on September 07, 2011, 10:24:44 PM
More progress with photographic evidence.  :finger:

I finished my wiring harness, and have most of it plugged in.  This is the fuel injection portion.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4254.jpg)

Still need to organize and mount this mess.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4255.jpg)

And my new hawse fairlead came in today.  It has a smaller profile which fits on my bumper much better.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4250.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4251.jpg)

Lined up the holes, traced the opening and cut it up!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4252.jpg)

Winch mounted.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4256.jpg)

Approach angle is still 90*....even with the hawse.  I have this thing REALLY close to the motor.  Perhaps too close.  Time will tell. 
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4257.jpg)

Then I mounted the control box with the included bracket.  After all was said and done, I stood back, and realized that there *may* be contact with the box and tire at full stuff/full turn.  I will flex it out later to get the answer.  I don't want the tire to remove the control box, and send the wires into the fan. 
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4258.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4259.jpg)


Why did I mount it there? Because it's mostly out of the way, and the wires wouldn't reach any further.  There is NO more room in the bumper to mount it.  Thus is why I bought a winch with a remote mountable solenoid.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Bradman on September 08, 2011, 11:41:46 PM
 :woot:  looking sick Timmy.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on September 12, 2011, 09:58:48 PM
Thanks bigd!

My factory air intake hose tore.  I don't want to have to find another (last made in 1990).  I fabbed one up with the metal air hose flnge, some 3" exhaust tubing and a new filter.  Cost me $23.18 total.  Now I need a hood because rain will go straight down into the throttle body.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Ian on September 12, 2011, 10:09:58 PM
Let's go wheeling!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on September 12, 2011, 10:14:48 PM
Wanna push me?
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Posimoto on September 13, 2011, 06:47:43 AM
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jon on September 19, 2011, 10:11:24 AM
Chuck- rustoleum clean metal primer all around.  Back half was rustoleum gloss black.  Front half was X-O rust from the hardware store.  It SUCKS!!! Still not dry after a week of sitting. 

Read the directions on the XO-Rust.  Do not use primer it needs to go on bare metal, as it uses the metal to catalyze the paint.

Rustoleum's primer especially does not mix well with the XO rust.  Don't feel bad, you are definitely not the first to make this mistake. ;D.

Future reference it is usually a good think to prime and paint with the same brand to make sure they are compatible.  Also make sure that you read the directions for cure time.  A lot of stuff is paint within 4 hours or after 24, 48, 72 due tot eh outgassing of solvents.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Technohead on September 20, 2011, 05:21:25 AM
I tried the XO rust on some sliders a couple years ago. Clean bare metal, sprayed it on, looked good. Half way through winter it was all gone replaced with rust. And I was only driving the rig for a few days at a time during/after snow storms.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on September 20, 2011, 08:19:16 PM
I made a rear driveshaft today.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/IMG_4261.jpg)

It's an oddball one.  1410 joint at the axle end, 2" poop pipe, then a driveshaft/slip joint from an old YJ shaft (thanks Ian/Tony), then a 1310 yoke from a stock YJ shaft, and a 1310/1330 conversion joint.  I do not have any faith that the 1310/1330 will hold, but it's what I had. 

Here's the suspension drooped all the way out, checking for binding at the transfer case.  There was none!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/IMG_4262.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/IMG_4264.jpg)

Transfer case end.  Like my temporary zip-tie u-bolt?   :D
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/IMG_4265.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/IMG_4263.jpg)

One at ride height.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/IMG_4268.jpg)

And I finished my seat mount bars.  These little gussets make them much stronger.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/IMG_4266.jpg)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jerry k on September 20, 2011, 09:14:07 PM
looking good Tim.. 8)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Posimoto on September 21, 2011, 08:38:09 AM
Temporary or not please cut off the zip tie end........ :D

Looks good Tim! 
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on September 21, 2011, 02:52:51 PM
Happy.   :D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Posimoto on September 21, 2011, 03:16:22 PM
Why yes, yes I am.

You just saved Ian or yourself from losing an eye by cutting off that zip tie end.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Ian on September 21, 2011, 03:22:35 PM
   ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on September 21, 2011, 09:49:19 PM
Got my battery box mounted.  It's between the seats.  I'm running a DieHard Platinum AGM battery, so it's sealed and should be safe.  I will take a pic tomorrow when I'm tinkering on it.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on September 25, 2011, 05:53:17 PM
Here's the battery all mounted and ready for wiring.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/IMG_4269.jpg)

And I FINALLY finished the middle support tube.  I've been looking at it for months, and have been too lazy to trim it, line it up, weld it, and paint it.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/IMG_4270.jpg)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on September 28, 2011, 01:55:20 PM
I bought a full size spare for a yesterday.  $210 shipped for a blemished Irok directly from Interco. 
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Posimoto on September 28, 2011, 08:35:41 PM
Looks good Tim.

What type battery did you buy?

Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on September 28, 2011, 09:07:01 PM
It's a DieHard Platinum, basically a re-badged Odyssey.  A sealed AGM type battery.

Thanks Chuck.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: dips on September 28, 2011, 09:33:06 PM
looking good tim!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on October 13, 2011, 07:31:56 PM
I'm still hoping to make the November ride.

I ordered some 2/0 welding cable to make battery cables.

I also purchased some fire sleeve for the trans lines and the battery cable.  Once I can get power to the engine, then I can start messing with it to see if it want's to start.  I tore apart the wiring, and re-did it with another harness.....so if I put everything back together, it should work.  


But I have very little, if any confidence that I did it correctly.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jps4jeep on October 14, 2011, 07:28:26 AM
If you need battery cable in a pinch, interstate battery in woburn on nashua st sells it per foot and is very well priced. Was way cheaper than west marina and napa.

Also, picked up a brand new redtop optima for $60
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on October 15, 2011, 05:24:39 PM
Still working on this thing.  I want to have it driving in under 3 weeks!   ::)


First, I finally got around to finishing my hydro hoses.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4271.jpg)

And I also moved my panhard mount forwards on the axle.  This is a much better spot than before, doesn't bind, and allows me to run a straight bar.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4273.jpg)


Today I recieved 10' of firesleeve that I bought from Summit Racing.  This stuff is rated for 500*F constant and 2000*F surge.  My trans lines are close to the exhaust, and I don't want them to melt on me.

First, some tech on fire sleeve.  When installing the firesleeve, you want to be sure that it continues up to the fitting, protecting the inner hose from any heat contact.  It is simply slipped over the hose, but leaving the ends open allows the inner fiberglass lining to wick oil and grease into the sleeve.  This impares its fire resistance can also eat away at the hose it is protecting.  After reading some airplane forums, I found the correct way to install this stuff.  You are supposed to seal the ends off with a silicone dip that they make for fire sleeve.  However it is expensive, and comes in quarts.  Many people recommended using red RTV instead.  I chose to go this route.  Once I had squirted a little RTV inbetween the sleeve and the hose I smeared some around the outside, and used stainless hose clamps to seal them off.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4274.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4275.jpg)


I also made my center console, and mounted my battery disconnect switch.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4276.jpg)



And here you can see my $210 cosmetic blemish Irok from Interco. ;D
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/IMG_4278.jpg)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on October 15, 2011, 06:54:32 PM
And Chuck, before you say anything, I will be trimming the hose clamp.  ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Posimoto on October 16, 2011, 07:29:59 AM
 ;D


Good progress Tim!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Ian on October 17, 2011, 08:15:03 AM
what is the "blemish" on the tire?
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on October 17, 2011, 09:01:40 AM
Can't find one.  Neither could Lou or jeeptech.  Steveo and my brother can't find it either...
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Ian on October 17, 2011, 09:48:11 AM
Can't find one.  Neither could Lou or jeeptech.  Steveo and my brother can't find it either...

their QA standards must be pretty tight then. 

watch it not hold air  ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on October 17, 2011, 05:16:42 PM
Holds air fine.  ;D

I bled the steering and filled the trans today.  I might try to start it tomorrow if I have time to make and install my battery cables.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on October 18, 2011, 06:08:49 PM
Made my battery cables today.  Wired the jeep, poured some gas in the throttle body, and it fired right up.  Only ran for a second or two...because of the lack of fuel I'm sure.  Tomorrow I will wire the fuel pump, and put gas in the tank.  ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Posimoto on October 18, 2011, 07:32:35 PM
Good to hear!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: 05rckymtn on October 18, 2011, 08:14:26 PM
Nice!!!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on October 18, 2011, 09:34:23 PM
Yah, super excited to hear it run again!


I also took some pics today.

Here's the 300A "mega fuse" and cable lugs that I used beside a quarter.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4279.jpg)

Fuse mounted on fire wall with 2/0 cables.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4280.jpg)

Where I mounted the relays, and coil.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4281.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4284.jpg)

And a shot of the battery with cables.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4283.jpg)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: rich on October 19, 2011, 06:26:01 AM
Can't find one.  Neither could Lou or jeeptech.  Steveo and my brother can't find it either...

their QA standards must be pretty tight then. 

Now if they could make a tire that is round and not need to add 3lbs of weight per side to balance.....

watch it not hold air  ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Posimoto on October 19, 2011, 07:01:41 AM
BBs
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on October 19, 2011, 11:20:33 AM
Well I put gas in the tank, wired the fuel pump, and realized that I had the fuel lines reversed.  Fixed that and it fired right up!  I did find out that my crank slightly hits the oil pan due to some "clearancing" that I did.  Now I need to swap that.   ::)

BUT it runs, and barring any catastrophes, it will be at the next trail ride.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: mika401 on October 19, 2011, 01:56:07 PM
it will be at the next trail ride

 :shocked:

had to improvise, no such smiley
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Axle on October 19, 2011, 02:09:20 PM
 :o
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: mika401 on October 20, 2011, 08:57:24 AM
LOL couldn't find it
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on October 20, 2011, 08:59:29 AM
Ye have little faith my friend.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on October 21, 2011, 09:02:54 AM
Ian came over yesterday to get new tires put on his XJ, and to help me fab.  We ended up swapping oil pans.  Not as bad as I thought it would be.  The engine runs just like it did 11 months ago.  Steve-O is coming over on Monday to give me a hand with brake lines.  Then it will officially be a driver.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on October 22, 2011, 08:47:18 PM
Making good progess over the past few days.

I am at the tail end of all of my wiring.  An important part of my wiring is the transmission.  It is electronically controlled, and shifts using solenoids.  There are 2 for gear selection and 1 for the torque converter lockup.  I needed to find which wires connect to which solenoid.  There are 7 wires going into the transmission.  3 of those are solenoids, 2 of which I need to control.  When the solenoids are not powered, there should be a reading of 12-15 ohms.  There is no ground wire, since the solenoids are grounded to the battery through the engine block.  I am not sure which wires control which solenoids, so I will have to drive it and play with the wires.  It won't be hard to get them correct.

Solenoid wire locations.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4285.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4286.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4287.jpg)


Then I got to wiring up my swith pannel.  This will allow me to shift through all 4 gears of the transmission, and control both of my electric fans.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4288.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4289.jpg)

And together on the center console.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG_4290.jpg)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on October 22, 2011, 08:51:34 PM
I also wired my trans temp gauge, and went through 3 gallons of gear oil for the diffs, and the t-cases.  Since the 203 is a chain driven transfer case with a helical gear reduction box (unlike the 231 and 241 which both have planetary gear reduction) it calls for 30w motor oil.  I'm not using the chain part....just the gear'd range box.  I figured that it would be fine with gear oil so I filled it with ~2.5 quarts of 80w-90.  The 205 got 2 quarts.  The 14b got 3.5 quarts, and the D60 got about 3 quarts.  
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jerry k on October 22, 2011, 09:40:18 PM
I'm digging the ghetto switch housing.. 8)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: 98xj on October 23, 2011, 07:59:23 AM
Nice work Tim!
Buggy is coming out great.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Posimoto on October 23, 2011, 09:00:29 AM
I'm not sure what tranny you have but thought I'd post this anyway. I hope this helps.

http://www.greatlakesxj.com/tech/aw4shiftmod.html
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on October 23, 2011, 04:52:33 PM
I'm digging the ghetto switch housing.. 8)

Ghetto?!  I spent an afternoon building that thing!!

Nice work Tim!
Buggy is coming out great.

Thanks Dan!  Good to har from you!  How are things?

I'm not sure what tranny you have but thought I'd post this anyway. I hope this helps.

http://www.greatlakesxj.com/tech/aw4shiftmod.html

I have that exact transmission.  I am doing what the writeup detailed, but for both shifting solenoids. :)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Casey L on October 23, 2011, 07:32:52 PM
Looking good! Now is the fun part of the build!  :woot:
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on October 31, 2011, 11:21:25 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/2.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/3.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/4.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/5.jpg)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: j-dawg on October 31, 2011, 12:36:36 PM
nice tim!! good job buddy!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jerry k on October 31, 2011, 02:37:19 PM
Timmay!! Looks awesome dude, can't wait to see it this weekend.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Posimoto on October 31, 2011, 06:39:22 PM
A lot of time and dedication went into that rig��excellent job!   :cheers:
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: 05rckymtn on October 31, 2011, 06:44:43 PM
Well done....can't wait to see it
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jps4jeep on October 31, 2011, 07:55:36 PM
your summit racing sticker is crooked  :finger:

Very Happy for you Tim, hope it works as you want it to.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on November 01, 2011, 08:01:58 AM
Thanks guys.  It runs really well right now.  Hoping that we will be able to get to NH this weekend so I can test it out in the manner it was designed.  ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: mika401 on November 02, 2011, 12:33:52 PM
Needs some skins....
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Bradman on November 02, 2011, 01:15:46 PM
MJ? where at  :D
That thing came out tits Tim ;) WOW. Really
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on November 05, 2011, 09:57:50 PM
Today
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Axle on November 06, 2011, 07:35:51 AM
 8) good to see it on the trail again!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on November 06, 2011, 12:51:35 PM
Thanks Bob!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: mika401 on November 06, 2011, 04:26:42 PM
Now go beat it like it owes you money!!!!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on November 06, 2011, 07:49:37 PM
I did yesterday.  Drove it harder than I ever have.  ;D

My serpentine belt was loose, and would squeel whenever I put a large electrical load on the alternator (winch).  Upon tightening the belt, I noticed that my PS pulley (also the tensioner) was not perfectly in line with the other pulleys.  The belt does not seems to be rubbing on anything...and I'm sure it's fine (it works fine)...but it still pisses me off. ::) ::)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Ian on November 07, 2011, 07:59:49 AM
I did yesterday.  Drove it harder than I ever have.  ;D

My serpentine belt was loose, and would squeel whenever I put a large electrical load on the alternator (winch).  Upon tightening the belt, I noticed that my PS pulley (also the tensioner) was not perfectly in line with the other pulleys.  The belt does not seems to be rubbing on anything...and I'm sure it's fine (it works fine)...but it still pisses me off. ::) ::)

you didn't have this problem before did you?  had you changed anything that would cause this? 

Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on November 07, 2011, 08:39:19 AM
I think I know the problem.  When I "clocked" my steering pump, I had to drill new holes in the bracket.  When I tighten the belt, the mounting bolts bind, and pivot the pump.  I'm going to look into making the idlers pulley in the AC spot a makeshift tensioner.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on November 07, 2011, 11:35:05 AM
Here's what the problem looked like.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMAG0073.jpg)


And here's after I fiddled with it for a while this morning.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMAG0075.jpg)


Much better I think
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Ian on November 07, 2011, 01:06:44 PM
it took me a while to see the difference, but now i see it and it looks better.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on November 07, 2011, 05:20:55 PM
Another thing I learned was that with my tools, 10 gallons of gas and 450-500lbs of people, my rear shocks bottomed out frequently, and only had a few inches of uptravel.  Before this weekend I was already 50ml over the stock fluid level.  Tonight I added around 20ml more.  This means that the shocks are completely full of fluid when compressed all the way.  I made sure that they would not hydro-lock, and topped them off with 100psi of nitrogen.  I'm hoping that this will help or even fix the bottoming out issue.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jerry k on November 07, 2011, 08:53:21 PM
It sounds like its gonna be trial and error. Your rig was great Saturday, nice job Tim !
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on November 08, 2011, 10:28:55 AM
Yes, I think it will be. 

Thanks jerry.  It was great wheeling with you.  Sorry about your tub.  :(.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on March 05, 2012, 01:04:27 PM
I'm suck of no exhaust.  I ordered this muffler and a bunch of tubing and other stuff.

 http://www.summitracing.com/parts/flo-325108
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Krome on March 05, 2012, 01:17:11 PM
Oh boy, I remember that muffler. Wait what? what? huh? I can't hear you!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Ian on March 05, 2012, 01:21:13 PM
its so small!  :woot:
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: mattamd_xp on March 05, 2012, 03:14:22 PM
Can that really even be called a muffler???  ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on March 05, 2012, 05:46:57 PM
It's better than what I have now, and given my space concerns I hope it will work.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: navman 5.0 on March 05, 2012, 11:31:42 PM
Snowmobiles have already been faced with trail loses caused by loud exhaust, I'm sure we will be faced with it too with trail locations becoming closer and closer to residential areas. Noise is one of the few things causing all the problems with swanzey. I thing we as a whole should be more proactive on this.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on March 06, 2012, 09:24:17 AM
So, are you saying that I bought a piece of [censored], and that I need to do better?


Or are you saying that it's a good thing that I'm trying to make the MJ quieter?


 ??? ??? ???


I listened to quite a few youtube clips of the Flowmaster 10 series, and the Cherry Bomb extreme.  They both sound raspy, but not obnoxious on the 4.0.  Granted, it is youtube, and video cameras are hardly capable of capturing true sound.  I am after a quiet muffler, that isn't a "straight through" race muffler.  I can't fit a long muffler because I don't have a lot of areas where straight lengths of exhaust tubing will reside.  I also don't have room for a stock muffler, or a Thrush Turbo muffler (which I had before, and which Ian has) is still too big.  I will try this little FM muffler, and if it's too loud, I might add another small straight through race muffler upstream.  
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Krome on March 06, 2012, 11:09:16 AM
Twisty you ever hear my jeep after I put on the clayton? I had that same muffler.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on March 06, 2012, 01:27:06 PM
No, I did not.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: navman 5.0 on March 06, 2012, 01:38:21 PM
I'm glad you are. Many of the new trails are closer to residential areas now and some of the old regulars are  getting built up around. I just think its something we should all keep in mind. Seeing a muffler being added to your build is a good example.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Krome on March 07, 2012, 02:43:34 PM
Flowmaster makes a hushpower as well, which is pretty throaty, smaller case size as well. The 10 series is not quiet by any means, slightly quieter than wide open. It was completely obnoxious in my jeep honestly.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Krome on March 07, 2012, 02:44:07 PM
JJ also ran that muffler on his TJ at one time.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on March 07, 2012, 02:47:06 PM
I thought he had a glasspack?
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jps4jeep on March 07, 2012, 05:50:26 PM
Would like to hear this vs mine, I would like to quiet my jeep a little, but size needs to be compact. Currently rynning a dyno max aprial circle track muffler, I think it is just as loud as when the header was split in two.


Also Tim, I am no stranger to exhaust work, of you need halp, let me know.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on March 07, 2012, 06:16:08 PM
Thanks, john.  I'm going to tackle it this weekend. The parts came in today.  ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Krome on March 07, 2012, 07:32:14 PM
I thought he had a glasspack?

After his glasspack. It sounds mean, but its all up to your ears! And if size is limited your options are too, give it a shot anyways.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on March 07, 2012, 10:10:33 PM
Um....it's still loud.    :D

My test method was EXTREMELY hack, but I got a taste of what it sounds like.


I think that once I get the exhaust buttoned up, it will be quieter than before.  Especially if I have the pipe go all the way out the back.  It is definitely quieter into the higher RPM ranges.  Not much quieter at idle. 



Not sure how I'm going to squeeze the 2.5" exhaust in there though  ::)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: rich on March 08, 2012, 08:22:24 AM
i am running the stock head pipe and a dynamax "welded" muffler, when i 1st put it on i had just the end of the muffler as the exit. i thought it sounded great, i wanted to redirect the exhaust down to the ground  i added a short piece of pipe (maybe 3" total length) that had a very slight bend  in it it completly change the sound of the exhaust
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Bluerocket on March 08, 2012, 08:37:45 AM
On my 7 I used to have a mid vehicle exit under the seats off the mufflers.  Running pipes all the way out the b ack made a huge difference.  It sounds better and is much quieter (still loud).
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on March 11, 2012, 07:23:22 PM
Here we go!!

Down pipe.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/100_0045.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/100_0046.jpg)
 
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/100_0047.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/100_0048.jpg)


And the rest of the exhaust back to the muffler.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/100_0049.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/100_0050.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/100_0052.jpg)


I still need to get a few more bent pieces to run over the links and out the back.


Sounds much better.  Still a little loud, but it's DEFINITELY better!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: navman 5.0 on March 11, 2012, 09:06:12 PM
looks good, where did you get the mandrel bent pieces?
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on March 11, 2012, 09:35:01 PM
Thanks, I got the pieces from Summit. 8)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on March 18, 2012, 07:17:32 PM
Exhaust finished.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/100_0053.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/100_0054.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/100_0055.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/100_0056.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/100_0057.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/100_0058.jpg)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jerry k on March 18, 2012, 07:25:51 PM
Nice, now you can build one for something else  ..
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: mud rover on March 18, 2012, 07:39:37 PM
is it crazy loud
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: 05rckymtn on March 18, 2012, 10:32:21 PM
Well done sir, well done.

P.s.
I really like your off-road welding cart. 
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Posimoto on March 19, 2012, 06:10:06 AM
Is that last exhaust clamp welded to the frame? Is there any rubber strap hangers?

Looks really, clean!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Bluerocket on March 19, 2012, 06:52:44 AM
Is that last exhaust clamp welded to the frame? Is there any rubber strap hangers?

Looks really, clean!

Looks to be strait to the frame, he has a flex pipe up by the engine to deal with movement I believe.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Posimoto on March 19, 2012, 07:35:45 AM
I was wondering if that would be enough. I know the camry has a flex pipe and rubber hanger at the end with a 4 cyl. Regardless those flex pipes can be had for cheap money last I looked. 
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on March 19, 2012, 08:29:04 AM
Thanks for the comments guys.

The exhaust is throaty, but not as raspy and sucky as before. 
 
Chuck, I have a flex pipe close to the down pipe.  I assumed that it would take care of any movement.  I didn't want to deal with rubber hangers so I solid mounted everything after the flex pipe.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on July 20, 2012, 07:54:33 PM
Few small updates.

I got a small 5lb CO2 tank for free, so I bought a regulator, made a mount, and mounted it to the cage.  I was also given a cheap 1/2" impact gun, and splurged $96 on trail tools from HF.  I should be a little more self sufficient on the trail now.  I know it's not much, but it'll get a tire or two off, and re-filled if I should blow another bead.  8)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/IMAG0169.jpg)

I welded a spare air fitting on to the tube so I could have both ends of the air hose attached.  This keeps the hose out of the way, and keeps dirt out of the inside.  
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/IMAG0171.jpg)

Spent a lot of money of fire extinguishers!  I bought two 2.5lb dry chemical extinguishers, and one 2.5lb Halguard extinguisher from H3R.  I also got the SFR quick release mounts.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/IMAG0170.jpg)

My first real damage came in the form of a dented driveshaft.  This is a stock Ford F350 unit, and served me well.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/IMAG0172.jpg)

So I re-tubed it with 2" plumbing pipe from HD.  My rear shaft is the same stuff, and works awesome!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/IMAG0173.jpg)

Tripple pass weld, so it won't twist off.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/IMAG0174.jpg)


Up next is a Hi-Lift mount, and t-case shifters.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Axle on July 20, 2012, 08:26:50 PM
 8)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on July 21, 2012, 06:50:32 PM
Well, hell must have frozen over.  I trimmed a hood!  I still need to fill in the square hole on the right side, and do some stiffening.  It's floppier than a warm pancake.  All things considered, I think it came out great!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMAG0179.jpg)

And I mounted my hi-lift!  I used some spare hardware.  2x 9/16 bolts, 4x 9/16 nuts, and 2x 9/16 washers.  I want to get one of those rubber/poly things that goes on the jack/handle to keep it from rattling. 
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMAG0178.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMAG0177.jpg)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Posimoto on July 21, 2012, 08:54:39 PM
Well done Tim!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Ian on July 21, 2012, 09:19:34 PM
You have a hood now!   I like it a lot.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Blacky on August 10, 2012, 07:48:01 PM
just read through all 40 pages of this build, and that thing is built really well and looks amazing! I wish i had the knowledge (and funds) to build a rig as cool as this
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on August 11, 2012, 11:07:06 AM
Thanks for the kind words, Bob!

Hope you can continue to make it out with us.  You'll learn quickly, I'm sure.   :)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Blacky on August 11, 2012, 11:21:53 AM
Thanks for the kind words, Bob!

Hope you can continue to make it out with us.  You'll learn quickly, I'm sure.   :)

I hope so also.

Did you guys stick weld the whole thing, or do you have a mig welder?
I'm assuming mig becuase it would suck to stick weld all that tubing
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on August 11, 2012, 11:26:29 AM
The cage was all 220v MIG.  Ian has the Miller 211, and I have a Hobart 187.  Both great machines.  

If I stick welded the whole thing, I think I'd still be welding.  :D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Blacky on August 11, 2012, 11:37:03 AM
The cage was all 220v MIG.  Ian has the Miller 211, and I have a Hobart 187.  Both great machines.  

If I stick welded the whole thing, I think I'd still be welding.  :D

nice, im a fan of miller machines. they always seem so much smoother than really anything else ive had to use. and yeah you still be welding if it were stick, or atleast still chipping slag off the welds.
where did you get the hobart?
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on August 11, 2012, 01:20:25 PM
I bought it from a welding shop in Hudson, NH.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Blacky on August 11, 2012, 01:52:34 PM
Nice. If you dont mind my asking a bajillion questions here, how did you figure out the geometry for the suspension and where to mount the arms for best travel/flex?
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on August 11, 2012, 05:34:22 PM
Well, I followed a few rules like vertical separation of the arm ends, and triangulation, and put the links where they would fit.  The rear was really easy, because I had a lot of space to work with.  I built the suspension, then made the exhaust fit around the arms.  The front was harder.  I had already built my front crossmember which had the LCA and UCA mounts, and I re-used that.  I lowered the Jeep ~5" this time around, so fitting the upper arm between the bellhousing, motor mounts, exhaust, and body was really tight.  For that, I moved the axle up as far as possible, and tack welded the tabs on the front truss.  You have to be careful when building a 3-link suspension with tight tolerances because the axle will move side to side during travel.  When setting the panhard length, it can really make a difference between contact of the bellhousing/motor mount and .25" of clearance.  Most people will tell you to build a buggy/Jeep at full bump.  This way, you don't have to worry about clearance issues as much...because you can head it off earlier in the build process.

Hope that helps.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Blacky on August 11, 2012, 05:52:30 PM
Well, I followed a few rules like vertical separation of the arm ends, and triangulation, and put the links where they would fit.  The rear was really easy, because I had a lot of space to work with.  I built the suspension, then made the exhaust fit around the arms.  The front was harder.  I had already built my front crossmember which had the LCA and UCA mounts, and I re-used that.  I lowered the Jeep ~5" this time around, so fitting the upper arm between the bellhousing, motor mounts, exhaust, and body was really tight.  For that, I moved the axle up as far as possible, and tack welded the tabs on the front truss.  You have to be careful when building a 3-link suspension with tight tolerances because the axle will move side to side during travel.  When setting the panhard length, it can really make a difference between contact of the bellhousing/motor mount and .25" of clearance.  Most people will tell you to build a buggy/Jeep at full bump.  This way, you don't have to worry about clearance issues as much...because you can head it off earlier in the build process.

Hope that helps.

yeah thats helps a little i think. do you have a picture of the 3-link how you made it or did i miss it?
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on August 11, 2012, 06:20:50 PM
Here's the front crossmember.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/1%20ton%20swap/IMG_3454.jpg)

And here it is in a rough mock-up back in 2009.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/1%20ton%20swap/IMG_3359.jpg)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Blacky on August 11, 2012, 06:42:22 PM
alright, that does look pretty sweet. was there not enough room in the front for a 4-link or is 3-link that much better?
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on August 11, 2012, 07:24:18 PM
4 linking the front of an XJ/MJ is quite difficult.  There's not a whole lot of room, and the motor is on the long side (plays into upper link clearance).  I have seen some do it, but I'm not a huge fan of the geometry going on.  A 3 link is very simple to put together, and performs well if it's set up correctly (again, not hard to do).  I haven't really seen strong arguments for one or the other.  Pick whichever you like, and go with it.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on August 13, 2012, 08:15:26 PM
Well one of my H2s suffered a pretty decent crack around the outer bead.  It's about 4"-5" long, and compromises the ability of the tire to stay on the wheel.  I thought about putting my spare on, but that still leaves me without beadlocks, and weak alloy wheels on the other 3 corners.


So I just spent the money on these. https://totalmetalinnovations.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=8&zenid=vcqi0iqkvc6hf85hrej00bilv5   Cost was $330 for 5 sets in the .250 flavor.  I will be getting hardware from www.boltdepot.com.

Spoke with Tyler for probably 35 mins.  He was able to help me out with shipping costs (which are pretty substantial), and we chatted about public vs. private property wheeling.  

The beadlocks will be going on Cragar Soft 8 wheels. 17x8 4.5" backspacing.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Blacky on August 13, 2012, 08:56:21 PM
did the crack happen when the bead unseated on saturday @ the bbq?
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on August 13, 2012, 09:28:44 PM
Actually, no.  And the cracked wheel is NOT the one that I blew the bead on.  That wheel is 100% fine.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Blacky on August 13, 2012, 09:48:57 PM
either way, those beadlocks look cool as hell, im jealous
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on August 24, 2012, 08:26:17 PM
Beadlocks are pretty much done.  Here are some pics I took of the process. 

A big thanks goes out to Ian for helping me yesterday!!!


Why I bought the beadlocks.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMAG0185.jpg)

Back side of the H2.  It was still holding air.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMAG0195.jpg)


Hardware.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMAG0186.jpg)

Spiffy angled valve stems.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMAG0187.jpg)

Painted outer rings.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMAG0190.jpg)

Ground, and ready to weld.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMAG0191.jpg)

Tack welded.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMAG0192.jpg)

All welded, and 100% leak free.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMAG0193.jpg)

Then I brought it over to my high tech paint booth.  :D

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMAG0194.jpg)

Mounted, torqued, and aired up.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMAG0196.jpg)


And a crappy shot of the inside where the anti coning tabs keep the outer ring flatter.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMAG0197.jpg)

Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Blacky on August 24, 2012, 08:41:56 PM
that looks saweeeet! nice welds too by the way, it almost looks like you (i'm assuming you welded it) know exactly what your doing ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on August 24, 2012, 10:34:29 PM
Thanks!!  I did weld it.  I'm not the best, but I can manage to glue two pieces of metal together. ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: rich on August 25, 2012, 04:24:55 AM
Looks great,  just a thought welding some rebar to the inside lip to reinforce it like I did to my h1's
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jps4jeep on August 25, 2012, 05:50:25 AM
awesome Tim, you're gonna love the bead locks.  I like the anti-coning tabs built into the inner ring.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on August 26, 2012, 05:40:17 PM
Rich- I will probably do that down the road.  Not enough time/motivation to do it now.   :D

John- I can't wait to wheel with them!  The built in anti-coning tabs was why I went with this style.  8)



Here they are.  all mounted, torqued, and ready to wheel.   8) 8) 8)


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMAG0199.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMAG0200.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMAG0201.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMAG0203.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMAG0204.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMAG0205.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMAG0206.jpg)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Ian on August 26, 2012, 05:53:12 PM
Just needs rear steer now
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Blacky on August 26, 2012, 06:46:38 PM
pure badassery right there!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on August 26, 2012, 09:50:50 PM
Rear steer will have to wait for a while.  Have some other things to buy first.  ;D ;D ;D


Thanks Bob.  8)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: mud rover on September 01, 2012, 09:50:28 AM
tim that MJ is freakin awesome..i want one.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on September 01, 2012, 06:22:29 PM
Thanks Mike.  Good seeing you at Jay's a few weeks ago. :)


I gave the MJ a test fit on the trailer today.  I have to remove the fender to get the front on/off, but the rear still fits between them no problem.  Yay for correct tongue weight!! :woot:
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: mud rover on September 01, 2012, 10:19:14 PM
it was nice to see you too..you scared the poop out of me.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Posimoto on September 02, 2012, 07:24:10 AM
Well done on the wheels Tim, they look good!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: RustedWrangler on September 03, 2012, 06:01:19 PM
Tim, the wheels look great. I like the anti-coning tabs, what an easy solution.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on September 03, 2012, 10:08:25 PM
Thanks for the compliments.  Can't wait to wheel this weekend, and see how the new wheels perform.  8)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on March 02, 2014, 09:46:18 AM
Good lord.  There hasn't been an update to this thread since 2012!!  


Tried to take it out for a romp around the field yesterday, but the snow wouldn't allow.  16" of snow thwarted the MJ.  I had no traction.  Whatever snow I compressed or dug out was replaced by more snow.  It sucked, but maybe 15lbs is too much pressure for snow driving.   :bitchslap:

So I took some pics at a plowed location instead.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMAG0453_zpsnxaybutu.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMAG0454_zpsbwrrmcuk.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMAG0455_zpsxvykwqes.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMAG0456_zpstyuungyd.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMAG0457_zps2ramekal.jpg)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: XJFever on March 02, 2014, 11:22:03 AM
thing looks cooler than I remember it.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jeepgod on March 02, 2014, 12:22:27 PM
I heard it's for sale real cheap  ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on March 02, 2014, 02:58:35 PM
make an offer  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jeepgod on March 02, 2014, 05:09:38 PM
make an offer  ;D ;D ;D

See I knew it was for sale
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Ian on March 02, 2014, 05:53:33 PM
 :woot:
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jerry k on March 02, 2014, 10:40:38 PM
Skin it  ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: SPYDER on March 03, 2014, 09:12:49 AM
or atleast the rockers so you have a little more protection
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jps4jeep on March 03, 2014, 02:27:09 PM
Needs more cow bell
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on July 06, 2014, 07:12:24 PM
Now I can put a check beside the taint on my list of obstacles to conquer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_Qav6jgqic
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Posimoto on July 06, 2014, 07:25:03 PM
Woo-Hoo!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: SPYDER on July 06, 2014, 07:45:03 PM
That looked awesome.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Bluerocket on July 06, 2014, 09:52:25 PM
Nice climb. 
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: 05rckymtn on July 06, 2014, 09:54:02 PM
Awesome!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: rich on July 07, 2014, 04:52:20 AM
Well done timmy
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Axle on July 07, 2014, 06:53:02 AM
 :clap:
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jps4jeep on July 07, 2014, 12:32:37 PM
Awesome Tim.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: rich on July 07, 2014, 02:01:57 PM
I should
Try that trail
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Krome on July 07, 2014, 07:13:18 PM
There's an MJ in that video?

 ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Blacky on July 07, 2014, 07:21:07 PM
that was so freakin awesome to ride along for, thanks dude! :woot:
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: SPYDER on July 08, 2014, 12:40:08 PM
u looked alittle scared at one point there blacky
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: XJFever on July 08, 2014, 02:13:47 PM
NICEEEEEEE, that looked like fun
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Blacky on July 08, 2014, 06:42:43 PM
u looked alittle scared at one point there blacky

one point!? try the entire day! haha
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on August 29, 2014, 08:46:03 PM
After doing literally nothing for maintenance for give or take 2 years, I'm going to take care of a few things.

First on the list is a leaky power steering pump.  It was leaking out the back and the leak was getting worse.  I talked to Chris at the Q and he told me how to "rebuild" them.  I decided to give it a whirl myself instead of sending it to Texas and paying for parts, labor and shipping.

We have a PSC TC pump with -12 feed and -6 out.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMAG0638_zpstjqppkde.jpg)


Seal kit.  $12 from Amazon.  I ordered the wrong part number because the shaft seal was the wrong one, but it wasn't leaking so I wasn't really worried about it.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMAG0637_zpsawt0iujd.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMAG0640_zpswoy9wsf5.jpg)


Schematic.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMAG0641_zpsst43ljim.jpg)


Put the pump in a vise to hold and use a c-clamp to push on the back cover.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMAG0642_zpspouajw63.jpg)


This will allow you to put a small pick (or drill bit) in the drilled hole to push out the snap ring.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMAG0643_zpsvogjvosb.jpg)


Then I pushed the shaft in which drove the back cover and internals out.  I did this slowly so pieces wouldn't go flying.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMAG0644_zpsd6v5kdaq.jpg)


With the back cover removed you can see the cam, rotor, and vanes.  This is what makes the pressure in these pumps.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMAG0645_zps35yws8u1.jpg)


There's your problem!!  A cut o-ring.  What's up with the rust on the inside?  I'd be blown away if it happened while being bathed in oil.  Unless it rusted at PSC I don't know when it would have happened. ???

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMAG0646_zpsbajnzdjp.jpg)


Internals apart.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMAG0647_zpsvdbzqzi1.jpg)



Comparison between stock XJ pump (right) and PSC (left).  The inlet isn't that much larger on the more expensive PSC pump.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMAG0649_zpsxstygnbv.jpg)



The PSC pump had some wear on the cam, rotor, and vanes.  After some deliberation and research I decided to conduct a test and assemble the pump using the cam, rotor and vanes from the STOCK XJ pump.  I am 99.5% sure that they are dimensionally the same.  

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMAG0650_zpsmvfnbxc8.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMAG0651_zpsiiaupj3d.jpg)



That's all I took for pictures.  The pump went back together fairly easily and works pretty well.  I did not notice a decrease in power or speed.  I can turn lock to lock in about 3 seconds; a little slower when warm, but it has always done that.  I want to take it for a test drive tomorrow.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on August 30, 2014, 09:03:14 AM
And in case any one is looking for further reading on power steering pumps (P style, TC style, CB style) and how they work, I HIGHLY recommend this thread.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/general-4x4-discussion/973826-what-s-going-inside-ps-pump.html
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on August 30, 2014, 10:51:05 AM
Last night when I was reassembling everything, the clamping screws stripped out of the aluminum bracket.  The supplied bolts are 1" long and had about .25" of thread engagement  I swapped them out for some 1.5" long bolts which I trimmed down to 1.25".  

Steering system is back together, is 100% functional and ready for a test drive.  

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMAG0653_zpswzefexr5.jpg)


Up next for the steering is a filter change.  The reservoir has an internal filter; NAPA part number 1418 or WIX 51418.  They go for about $12
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: SPYDER on August 30, 2014, 11:35:50 AM
good info....I don't think your feed line can be any shorter  ;D
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jps4jeep on August 30, 2014, 12:52:30 PM
Nice manicure
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on August 30, 2014, 03:09:55 PM
Not much shorter.  ;D


It's nice to know that you notice the little things John.  Makes a person feel good about themselves.  :finger:



Took the MJ for a 10-15 minute test drive.  I climbed a few trees to test steering and did a test on dry pavement.  Turned just as well as it did before, but this time there were no leaks.  The tires were aired up to ~15psi, so I'm sure once I drop them to 3 it will be a little different.  
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Posimoto on August 31, 2014, 09:20:04 AM
Nicely done on the restore Tim!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on September 01, 2014, 09:05:57 AM
Thanks Chuck.  It is nice to be able to refurbish things that work fine, but need 1 or 2 issues cleared up.  Sometimes a new part is too much money, and the old one is perfectly fine except for a few inexpensive parts. 


Watching you refurbish compressors and transmissions has given me a little motivation to rebuild instead of replace when I have the time and ability. :)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: 05rckymtn on September 01, 2014, 08:17:21 PM
 That will be a post many of us will prob refer to some time down the line.  Great job!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on September 02, 2014, 05:24:17 PM
Thanks.  I hope it will be.  It could save someone a lot of money and down time.  Since the repair, the pump is still leak free.




I found that one of the Johnny Joints on the front lower control arm was loose, and causing a lot of noise which Blacky and I were noticing that last two times out.  I was getting ready to pull the trigger on some new bushings for my Johnny Joints (8 bushings total ~$50) and I decided to check where the play was coming from 1 more time.  I discovered that the bolt was loose and allowing movement.  I tightened the bolt to the best of my abilities (pretty tight) and the movement went away.  Hope that the hole isn't ovaled out, or I will have to repair them with some weld washers from Ruffstuff.  

$50 saved.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Blacky on September 03, 2014, 06:15:16 PM
Thanks.  I hope it will be.  It could save someone a lot of money and down time.  Since the repair, the pump is still leak free.




I found that one of the Johnny Joints on the front lower control arm was loose, and causing a lot of noise which Blacky and I were noticing that last two times out.  I was getting ready to pull the trigger on some new bushings for my Johnny Joints (8 bushings total ~$50) and I decided to check where the play was coming from 1 more time.  I discovered that the bolt was loose and allowing movement.  I tightened the bolt to the best of my abilities (pretty tight) and the movement went away.  Hope that the hole isn't ovaled out, or I will have to repair them with some weld washers from Ruffstuff. 

$50 saved.

Awesome! I'm glad you found where that was coming from. What led you to thinking the Johnny Joints were the cause?
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on September 03, 2014, 08:03:45 PM
I could feel something moving in the front end, and I know it wasn't the upper control arm.  The lower arm was moving slightly when sawing the wheel so I started to feel the joints for play.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on September 12, 2014, 06:03:18 PM
Boring update alert!! ;D

New fuel filter.  Smaller this time.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMAG0663_zpsaw95vhnl.jpg)



New steering filter.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMAG0664_zpsuz6y3klj.jpg)



And I'm strongly considering buying one of these.
http://www.4wd.com/Armor-Protection/Oil-Pan-Skid-Plate.aspx?t_c=79&t_s=467&t_pt=3545&t_pn=TER4667100

I'm 99% sure this is the same one that Maki has on his TJ, and I liked how it works.  I dragged my oil pan on a rock at the BBQ and don't want to ruin a weekend by destroying the pan and oil pickup.  I don't have the time, materials, or space to build my own and for the price I think that this is hard to beat.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on September 12, 2014, 06:08:49 PM
And some wheeling pics.  Thanks to Jerry for sending them to me.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG95201407059515401995001_zpsadh24hbi.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMG95201407059514592595380_zpsp1jyslfn.jpg)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: SPYDER on September 13, 2014, 07:32:42 AM
my only worry about that oil pan skid. if you hit it hard enough, since its bolted to the trans and engine, you could do some damage to the cases.  but I could be over thinking it.  that design looks similar to the nth setup.

I have a couple videos of you attempting the large rock face at the bbq...if I ever get a chance to load them ill post them for ya
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Bluerocket on September 13, 2014, 08:47:10 AM
I like that skid.   I have one for my cj which goes from the front of the belly pan all the way forward to just behind the axle. I need to put it back on since I have had it off for a while.   
My skid is kind of a pita for the number of times I see oilpans hit on taller rigs.   
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on September 13, 2014, 01:12:21 PM
my only worry about that oil pan skid. if you hit it hard enough, since its bolted to the trans and engine, you could do some damage to the cases.  but I could be over thinking it.  that design looks similar to the nth setup.

I have a couple videos of you attempting the large rock face at the bbq...if I ever get a chance to load them ill post them for ya

I completely agree.  I would love a skid that is mounted to the body and takes all the load off of the drivetrain.  However, given my suspension design, exhaust routing, axle placement, and general lack of space, I do not have a place to mount it forwards of the transmission.  In all the time I've spent wheeling I've never crashed down on an oil pan.  Only dragged it over rocks slowly dis-forming the pan.  All I would want from this is to alleviate this issue.  Along with the oil pan skid I will build a skid for the transmission oil pan that attaches to the skid plate, because I've dragged the trans pan across some rocks too. 


I'd love to see my failure(s) if you have time to get them uploaded.  ;D


I like that skid.   I have one for my cj which goes from the front of the belly pan all the way forward to just behind the axle. I need to put it back on since I have had it off for a while.   
My skid is kind of a pita for the number of times I see oilpans hit on taller rigs.   

I've tried to be careful, but it's usually pure stupidity and not paying attention that leads to me scraping things on rocks.  Ask Maki.  He had to pull me off of a rock that I ended up on top of because I was not paying attention to where I was driving on the easy trails!!  Also, keep in mind that depending on tire pressure the MJ's belly and oil pan is only 19"-20" off of the ground.  Given the size rocks that I take it on, that clearance can at times be insufficient.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Bluerocket on September 14, 2014, 08:37:07 AM
Post a couple pictures of the underside of the mj.  I'm curious what there is to build against.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on September 14, 2014, 09:42:53 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMAG0669_zpszjbjtmip.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMAG0671_zpsnfxyjnu0.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMAG0673_zpso5bhzibn.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/IMAG0674_zpsyrah3q71.jpg)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on October 08, 2014, 08:41:37 AM
Placed an order for the teraflex skid.  Hope I can get it installed before rocktoberfest.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: SPYDER on October 08, 2014, 10:11:09 AM
you coming to summit??  ive got a bunch of questions that id rather pick your brain about in person.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on October 08, 2014, 03:34:54 PM
Sorry, no.  Rocktoberfest is the same weekend as the Summit.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on October 15, 2014, 08:40:56 PM
Picked the skidplate up from Elais4x4 today.  Hope to get it installed tomorrow or Friday. 8)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Casey L on October 15, 2014, 11:01:13 PM
You can bolt up skid plates to your rig still?

 :woot:

Excited to see it this weekend.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on October 16, 2014, 10:58:00 AM
You can bolt up skid plates to your rig still?

 :woot:

Excited to see it this weekend.

I have no idea what your are insinuating.  My rig is totally and completely 100% bolt on mail order merchandise.  



The skid is on and the oil is changed for the first time since Fall 2011  :nuts:.  The plastic covering on the knock sensor fell apart and I had to piece it back together using RTV and a hose clamp.  I should get a new one, but they aren't exactly common and are priced around $55.  I'm hoping that I might find a used one around somewhere.  Wishing I still had that red XJ I scrapped a few years ago.  ::)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on October 16, 2014, 11:27:04 AM
Ok, snapped a quick pic.  Please excuse the quality.  I was ducking under a tarp in the monsoon like rain that had just started.  The skid cleared the exhaust just fine.  All the holes lined up great too.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/IMAG0697_zpsnphuslvk.jpg)


And my connection at Advance Auto ordered a knock sensor for me.  It will be in tomorrow afternoon.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: SPYDER on October 16, 2014, 12:22:11 PM
that's the tera flex one...right?
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on October 16, 2014, 12:37:58 PM
Yes.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Ian on November 05, 2014, 08:46:59 PM
fantastic that you finally got your oil pan covered.  :woot:
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on July 31, 2015, 08:00:43 PM
Update time!!  After the 4th at field and forest, I discovered that I lost a c clip for a u joint cap.  The u joint was fine, but it had been gone long enough to make the press fit caps into slip fit caps.  I pulled the shaft to put it back together and put tack welds on the axle.  Turns out the splines have a couple degrees of twist...


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/2814_zpsnxmrmpc5.jpg)

The solution was delivered by ups today.  I will get pics up tomorrow.
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Post by: Twisty on July 31, 2015, 09:03:13 PM
And some pictures I took from the last 2 wheeling trips.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/0704150956_zpsjhadzegt.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/0704151014_zpsvpenh0yw.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/0705151057_zpsxd8drm7y.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/0705151058_zpsvidfhx84.jpg)

I love this pic!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/0711151703_zps6bqmjfzq.jpg)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on August 01, 2015, 07:10:54 PM
These shafts are pretty....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/0801151820a_zpsmi9bd40b.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/0801151820_zps6gznqlu6.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/0801151821c_zps1asu29jd.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/0801151821_zpswkita69o.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/0801151821a_zpsycbyhwjw.jpg)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jerry k on August 02, 2015, 05:47:04 AM
Very nice Tim !
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Post by: SPYDER on August 02, 2015, 06:15:58 AM
Chromoly?
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Post by: Twisty on August 02, 2015, 08:06:00 AM
Chromoly?

Um, yeah!

Quote
Dutchman Dana 44 & 60 inner & outer front axle shafts are now available 2 ways. Your choice of Import or Domestic thru hardened "chrome-moly" (4340) material.

Import means the blank forgings came from off shore, resulting in an economical choice if the ultimate in strength is not needed. Domestic means the blank forgings came from Foote Axle-right here in the USA.

As with all our alloy axle shafts, all the finish machining is done in house here at Dutchman. Our front alloy inner axles are custom made to order, regardless if your application is stock replacement or a custom length if you�re narrowing the housing.

Whatever form of offroading you�re involved in; Desert racing, mud bogging, rock crawling, or just simple trail riding, a Dutchman 4340 front shaft will get you home or help win the race.
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Post by: Axle on August 02, 2015, 08:30:20 AM
very cool!
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Post by: Twisty on August 03, 2015, 03:33:37 PM
Also, for those who are not aware of what's involved when swapping shafts in a d60, this is what the bed of my truck looked like during the process.  The diff cover is off to change the oil.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/0802151812_zps71ujje2m.jpg)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Bluerocket on August 03, 2015, 05:04:03 PM
Damn!  knuckles too on them?     I'm glad my knuckles stay on, everything else comes out though.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Ian on August 03, 2015, 05:19:02 PM
those are some big snap ring pliers son!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: SPYDER on August 03, 2015, 05:45:37 PM
I'm not looking forward to that.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Blacky on August 03, 2015, 06:00:35 PM
I'd be interested to see how much twist the old shafts had in them
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on August 03, 2015, 06:08:52 PM
Damn!  knuckles too on them?     I'm glad my knuckles stay on, everything else comes out though.

The ears on the alloy shafts do not fit through the spindle hole.  ::)


I'd be interested to see how much twist the old shafts had in them

Looking at them again, I am unsure if there was any.  Like I said, a couple degrees at most.  BOTH shafts had slip-fit caps though, so those were not far from going bye bye. 
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Post by: Bluerocket on August 03, 2015, 07:42:30 PM
I'm not surprised, they add as much material as they can for strength.   My d30 shafts are press fit inside the spindle hole, and you have to remove the grease fittings before you can install or remove the shaft.  When my ears spread some i spent an hour hammering at it to get the thing to come out, i'm not sure if you can even get the knuckle off a CJ30 with the shaft inside it.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on August 03, 2015, 09:50:21 PM
I have a minor clearance issue.  I'm going to fix this problem tomorrow.  Luckily I have not made it far into the reassembly process.


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/0803152020_zpspzllg9by.jpg)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Ian on August 04, 2015, 04:30:49 AM
I have a minor clearance issue.  I'm going to fix this problem tomorrow.  Luckily I have not made it far into the reassembly process.


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/0803152020_zpspzllg9by.jpg)

is it the long side?
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on August 04, 2015, 05:22:14 PM
I had to grind both sides.  Not a lot, it only took about a minute once I had the shaft out.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/0804151747_zpsa3v5btbw.jpg)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Steve-O on August 04, 2015, 05:57:04 PM
I'm glad you decided to grind it, don't forget to check the spindle bearing while it's off
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on August 04, 2015, 07:09:28 PM
I'm glad you decided to grind it, don't forget to check the spindle bearing while it's off

Me too.  Thank you for your input! 

Good call.  I don't have the hubs on yet, so tomorrow I will pop the spindles off and throw some grease on those bearings.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on September 01, 2015, 08:36:00 PM
A few wheeling pics from last weekend.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/0829151319_zpsv8i5urx7.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/0829151317_zpsgob9ramu.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/0829151412_zpsrzgpooto.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/4201_zpsya8epoo2.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/0829151412a_zpsfh97splt.jpg)


And I started to add lights.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/0901151934_zpsojkiqp14.jpg)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: jerry k on September 01, 2015, 09:23:26 PM
Looks like I missed a fun time !
The lights look good !
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on September 05, 2015, 07:04:46 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/0905151933_zpsnbmcpqdc.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/0905151932_zpsyihpnexp.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/HazzzMatMan/Stage%205/0905151909_zpszp9vei6v.jpg)
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Ian on September 05, 2015, 07:12:21 PM
now its all ready for an inspection sticker!
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: rich on September 06, 2015, 06:45:15 AM
Where did you go froading
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on September 06, 2015, 12:01:46 PM
Field and forest had an open weekend last week, and I went with Ian.
Title: Re: Thriller MJ
Post by: Twisty on September 06, 2015, 07:41:40 PM
I've had a good weekend progress wise, so far. 

The front lights are wired and ready to go.  The rear light is wired on a separate switch so I can control it independently of the fronts.  The tail/brake lights are wired, but I only have 1 mounting bracket so I will need to get another to mount the other light.  The Firestik antenna has been mounted to a spring and connected to a working CB via a 3' coax cable (still need to tune SWR).  I also made a cradle on top of the fuel cell to hold the recovery bag that I won at the 'Q (Thanks Jeff @ Crown!).